I only watch their youtube videos and don't really get that vibe from them. Am I missing some drama context or could you elaborate what makes them so bad?
I mean, you have two flavors of leftist youtubers: ineffectual wokescolds and edgelord dudebros. Edgelords are one leaked DM from them to an underage fan away from pivoting into straight authoritarian nationalism, and wokescolds are basically trying to fill out a pokedex of other online leftists they made enemies with because they didn't pass a particular ideological purity test.
“Yeah, that’s a good idea, but is it completely unassailable logic that is beyond all criticism? Because that’s definitely the best standard to use against the rough draft of an idea.”
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Less infighting among the green left would be very helpful.
I can't speak for everywhere, but this line is frequently levied at the Greens party here in Australia, but it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
In all of the noteworthy cases where they've voted against the "good", they have negotiated and later ended up voting in favour of the "better". In no case did they hold up hoping for "perfect".
But they're still blamed for voting down climate policy way back in 2009, despite the fact that independent Treasury modelling said the 2009 bill's climate policy wouldn't have had any reduction in emissions until 2035. That wasn't even "good". So they voted it down and negotiated with the Prime Minister who replaced the megalomaniac that refused to negotiate the first time, and passed world-leading policy in 2010, seeing immediate reduction in emissions.
At a Christmas gathering, my sister-in-law decided that I'm a misogynist ... for no reason other than that I said I don't care for Taylor Swift's music. I genuinely thought she was joking, but nope she was dead serious. This meme hits home.
Liberalism isn't leftism, though. This is more poking at MLs fighting with DemSocs fighting with Anarchists fighting with Syndicalists fighting with Market Socialists, etc.
You're right, from now on I will agree with things I hear from anyone without being critical.
Hate immigrants, hey, me too. Hate taxes, hey me too. Hate brown people, hey me too. Capitalism is flawless, hey I think so too. Harming minorities is fine, hey I think so too. Heil Hitler, Heill Hitler.
Good false dichotomy, really shows that you assume there's only agreeing and disagreeing with other people and grounding your principles and axioms isn't a thing.
When "leftists" start using the same dialogue as fascists because they think it will give them a sense of power then no wonder I am gonna hate them.
Past that, it's how far down the line is progressive thought still beneficial and when does it become just a deep seated illogical belief in fiction? When is it no longer beneficial to the current arguments being had. And how do you avoid telling those people to shut the hell up and get back to us when the fire isn't raging so hot.
But then they get upset about being dismissed and then back to deep-seated conservative spiteful behavior. Ugh. Humans are such a mess.