Reminder: reddit may be dead, but trolls are not.
As we start to see more users join, it's inevitable to see trolls (especially low-effort trolls) making more of an appearance and trying to be controversial and noticed.
Best just to scroll past them. They want to spark unwinnable arguments and rack up negative rep. If something seems absurdly ridiculous or inciteful, just move on. It's not even worth down voting.
But also, remember not to automatically assume someone with negative reputation is a troll. Given kbin currently doesn't calculate reputation correctly (it counts boosts not upvotes).
I'm putting this as a top level comment, but I mean to be talking here to the people suggesting to report or block, or moderators looking at this and thinking of taking action against trolls.
Yup, I've got significantly more upvotes than downvote in total (only one reply of mine so far got downvotes, from the bigots it was calling out), but my overall score is still negative at the moment. Which I personally don't really care about, I just wouldn't want others assuming I'm a troll because of it.
Edit: looks like these last few replies got me off that negative rep lol, thanks
(I don't have the brain power to figure out any thing of any significance from this but if anyone is interested: 20 upvotes on replies today got me from -3 to +1)
Edit again: though having now posted an article from an indigenous perspective on a Canada day celebration post, I am already worse off from when I started lmfao
It's the QI scoring method. (QI being a British quiz where players often end up with negative scores.)
I’m not sure why anyone cares about karma or points or whatever they are called over here. I don’t ever look at that for other profiles, and only noticed that it even existed when I finally logged into my account on a computer rather than a mobile.
I think to tag on to what you said…I think it’s fair to say that a troll can only be labeled as a troll based on the content and responses they create.
Doesn't matter. For one person like you there are 20 other who will just spam/downvote.
Sure it matters.
Honestly, I don't think we should bother checking their reputation score even if it was working correctly. They're either engaging in shitty behaviour or they're not. All of us engage in shitty behaviour sometimes - we all get hangry, we all have bad days, and we're all suffering in some way or another - and the fact that someone has a record of saying popular things doesn't mean their shitty behaviour needs to be accepted or engaged with.
Call it out, ignore it, or report them. If there's a pattern of shitty behaviour, the mods or admins can have a chat with them about it.
Of course, I agree with that. But there are people who do that, so I figured it's important to mention still.
I’ve already seen one troll who’s going hog wild. What’s annoying is, i blocked them, but still got a notification about them when they replied to one of my posts (I couldn’t see the reply on the post itself, but could see it in my notifications). So just be aware that blocking someone doesn’t mean they’re gone.
There's a few tickets floating around regarding the user flow for how blocking users actually works. This is probably one of those untested cases where you've blocked someone but you can see see them when they do X.
The blocking workflow is definitely something that needs some improvements, but I think right now everyone is focused on stability (especially with the influx of new people everyone's expecting)
I figure it’s something that will get fixed as things get more stable. It was just a very unpleasant discovery right before I read this post.
I get no reply notifications, so there's that.
It's clear that kbin still has a lot of bugs. Guy running it is a bit overwhelmed right now. Hopefully they're able to fix issues like this sooner rather than later.
Did you turn them off (or maybe you never turned them on, I don't recall what was default state)? They're working for me from what I can tell.
Settings - Notifications
Hope the moderation gets more aggressive soon, or this place is fuuuucked. There's already like three thedonald magazines.
Opposing political opinions are not trolls. Let's not be like Reddit where "opposite opinion" = bad.
No, but fascists are troll (and worse. Much worse). And yes, trump and his cult are fascists
No, but someone rocking up to a news magazine just to post “Trump won and everyone knows it” with no news article is trolling. Some of these folks are trolls trying to piss people off.
TheDonald was not about political opinions. It was a hate farm that made neofascists out of people who came for the lulz. By all means let's have actual conservatives discuss politics as a counterpoint to more liberal views, but smack the fascists down - because it's the only way to truly have a tolerant society and civil discourse: Intolerance as politics must not be tolerated. If that basic rule is ignored, everything else fails.
See the paradox of intolerance.
Ah yes, because all opinions are equal and NAMBLA and Nazis need to be given equal weight for their "opposite opinions".
Don't platform fascists. Don't play apologetics for platforming fascists. Don't tolerate people who platform fascists.
Stop treating fascism as a mere difference of opinion.
I wish I could upvote you twice.
" Hey you want the humane and equal treatment of all peoples, and I have an opposite opinion that some people should be subservient or eliminated. Woah woah why are you banning me."
It's a painfully American sentiment that was prominent in the civil war. "Hey we just disagree on slavery..."
I would argue that there is a line where speech becomes hate speech, in fact that line is already defined as criminal libel/defamation and assault.
@drumdonuttea Is it possible to block individual users?
Users can absolutely be blocked, and at least on kbin you can also block instances and magazines as a whole as well
You can block them on kbin, but just be aware that if they reply to you or your post, you’ll still get a notification of it. You won’t be able to see their comment on the page it was posted to you, but it will be sitting in your notifications until you clear all them, since you can’t get rid of individual ones.
Hover over/go to profile, and click the 🚫.
I wonder if people are going to abuse downvotes and reports. The downvote is not a disagreement button, and reporting just because you find a comment distasteful is not what it should be for.
The down vote button is whatever we want it to be.
I have zero tolerance for trolls, just block 'em and move on. Life's too short!
Best just to scroll past them.
The joy of being an admin. I can do much more than that :)
I just want to point out that not everyone with an unpopular opinion is a troll. I think this is important as many people get victimized by a group for posting something unpopular, getting ganged up on. Be careful where you post!
trolls are people too. but the owner of reddit isn't
They do seem to be super salty over in the subreddits that were discussing all this, like Save3rdpartyapps. A lot of the people posting now are just the anti trolls because the vast majority of the posters (including me) followed through and deleted everything and left.
Less of a problem on Lemmy where karma is not publically displayed.
I will say overall that this community has been largely much more positive and troll-free than Reddit. We'll see how long it lasts, but man it's been nice
Well... people wanted lemmy to take over reddit users. Nobody talks about the cesspool reddit is.
I've already been seeing toxic incel shit. They're not trolls, of course--they sincerely believe that garbage.
As long as no one starts making /m/AngryUpvote a thing, and as long as ShittyMorph stays off the fediverse, we'll be off to a good start.
Actually, they should be reported. Don't just scroll pass if you see harassment or hate speech.
How exactly do you report them? I tried to report one troll I saw, but couldn’t find the option.
more report
Thanks for providing a comment to test the report feature with.
If you want to be neck deep in that bullshit, you're more than welcome to join exploding-heads.com. Can we have ONE space online that isn't infiltrated by assholes?
You don't have to be a dick to others on the Internet. You can make that choice. Just because you CAN post hateful shit anonymously and not have to face real life consequences doesn't mean you HAVE to.
You either haven't been on the internet long enough to recognize this very common slippery slope, or you do recognize it - and you're rooting for the slope.
Is protecting hate speech important to you?
Why not both? Don't feed the troll, report for breaking the rules, and then if you're extra salty, block them too.