Do you think reddit will survive this?

Unlike the Reddit vs Digg situation, there's no mature product to mass migrate to. Digg collapsed because Reddit was an easy move over. There was already a polished alternative.

The Fediverse is great, and has a lot a of promise, but it's not fully developed and easy to move to. Us migrants are building it out now.

Reddit will lose it's soul. It's been showing signs for ages anyways. Spez wants to create a doom-scroll "social network" that caters towards the TikTok and Facebook crowd. That kind of cancer has been creeping in for a while anyways.

The core of Reddit was always the discussion. The niche communities where you had real enthusiasts. You could get your retro gaming PC diagnosed. Trade parts for your imported Honda Beat. Ask questions about utility locating. That's the heart and soul. And also the hardest thing to move.

Digg is just a newspaper now. Not a community aggregator. There's no soul. It became a domain. You can't Digg or bury. You can't even comment anymore. That's where they'd like to take Reddit. It doesn't require effort or mods. Just a like button.

It will survive, it always does, but it will lose a chunk of users.

Reddit went corporate a long time ago, and the only reason I ever went there was because I had RIF on my phone. Now I don't, so I won't, and I'm sure there are many like me.

But if they survived all their other controversies there isn't any reason to think they won't survive this one too.

Sad to say... Most people don't care, they just consume.

Reddit is dead, long live reddit? /s

People are right, Reddit will live on as a shell of its former self. In time, people will forget that this happened and the API change and loss of third party apps that didn't want to pay those high fees will also be forgotten by those on Reddit.

Obligatory: https://imgur.com/a/GrPwnrX

Yes, it will survive. I still use it and will continue to use it because for me, Lemmy is not a fully replacement for many of the niche communities I follow.

I’m really excited about Lemmy and the fediverse in general. I’ve grown tired of small “for the people” web services turning corporate and fucking us all by jamming ads into our face or delivering a bunch of bullshit content they want us to consume.

I went to the internet at an early age in part because I could find content that wasn’t littered with advertisements and all the other bullshit on TV. The fediverse seems like it can be a space more like the original internet, separated from the few big players (Meta, Twitter, Google, and I suppose Reddit now).

So... I have some harsh feelings about Reddit. It's bittersweet. A reflection of humanity with both good and bad and corruption of power and so forth. Like many I spent a lot of time on there. Learned a lot; challenged my views; and threw my voice out into the void for whatever it's worth. 10 years and a lot of server time given from gildings handed out and received. Oh well.

Whether Reddit persists is contingent namely on 2 things:

1) Will they revert some of the biggest grievances?

I find this to be highly unlikely. When Spez is quoting Elon Musk as doing good work at Twitter, you know that's a bad sign. Spez was not the genius behind Reddit — Aaron Swartz was. Spez just wants to cash out and leave Reddit behind. They need to find a way to make an inherently unprofitable concept profitable — and so of course the users suffer. It's little different to what happened to Digg, and what happened to Facebook when it navigated away from its original UI that was so elegant and simple. So I'm happy Reddit's devaluation is continuing.

2) Is there a substitute to seize on this moment?

When Digg collapsed under similar circumstances, Reddit was already there. Of course Lemmy is here; Tildes is in progress; and now Jimmy Wales the founder of Wikipedia is spinning up Truth Cafe (WT Social 2.0). All three have significant hurdles to overcome that don't quite match Reddit 1:1... So we'll see.

My estimation is that Reddit will "survive," but with diminished value, reputation, and significantly-lower average monthly users no differently than how Digg has "survived." My view is to not fix what isn't broke — and to disrupt applications like Push Shift / RiF / Apollo and so forth that are cornerstones to Reddit's success, along with a variety of other administrative choices — is shooting themselves in the foot. It's the end of Reddit for me even as a lurker since I can't use RiF anymore, and I'm excited for something new to take its place.

I'll leave a Medium article I wrote going into detail further for those interested, along with a terrible experience with both Admin and Moderator incompetency and inconsistency.

Probably not, still too big to fail at this point, but hope CEO gets canned. Spez singlehandedly devaluated and depopulated Reddit while treating userbase as garbage. Fuck you Spez.

It's truly a mystery to me how the Reddit execs, investors, and board of directors think that these changes, and the way they've been rolled out, will be good for the long-term health and prosperity of the company. Even short term with an IPO on the horizon, none of this makes any sense. Maybe I just don't understand the nuances of company valuations, IPO's, executive pay, etc., but I don't see how this move makes anything better for anyone involved. I could at least understand them shitting on the mods, communities, and apps if it meant a better payday for the investors and execs (it would be selfish and lousy, but at least I could understand it). I don't understand the wisdom of this in the slightest.

I honestly doubt it'll crash, I honestly doubt if most of us will even stick with lemmy

As Lemmy picks up steam, more and more people will migrate over and leave Reddit in the dust. It'll take a while, but it's already starting to happen, and Reddit's already starting to suffer negative repercussions as we saw with ad partners leaving them.

Even victims of previous mass exoduses are still around. Take a look at the state of digg or fark now...

Whatever happens won't be over in a week, a month, or even a year really...

I think reddit will eventually shrug it off. There's an enormous number of users who think their app is perfectly fine and claim to not even notice the ad spam. Whether they're blind or braindead is another question and I don't get it, but most people don't care.

The ones who do care are the ones who still know old.reddit and make the platform worthwhile with their expertise. As those people migrate elsewhere reddit will become even more mediocre and irrelevant.

Reddit will survive, just like Twitter and yahoo are still alive. But eventually nobody will even notice that it's still alive.

It'll survive this because a lot of Reddit users don't directly use this party apps or the API and genuinely don't understand the problem.

What might kill it is if the quality of subs degrade because moderators can't manage them any more.

That's probably not a problem for really small subs (easy to ignore the noise, not particular attractive to spammers), but could cripple big ones.

But it won't be a quick death as everyone leaves in protest, because they won't.

Reddit will fizzle out very very slowly. A bunch content creators and mods that use 3rd party apps have left. What is left is the mass horde. It will survive on tiktoc and Twitter reposts for a long time. Like years... and eventually it will become stagnant and boring and the horde will find something new and disperse. It won't even be clear that this is what caused it or if it is the normal tide of the internet. To stay relevant you need to have progress that keeps people's attention. This move is a regression that will kill it in the long term.

As much as I would like to boycott it completely, there are still too many big communities there, too much information you can't reasonably find anywhere else.

I've stopped posting and commenting to stop contributing to the problem, and obviously I won't be using it on mobile, but already before the API shutdown there were many users that were OK with using their official app.

Many mods gave up their protests when reddit applied pressure, instead of e.g. saying "you don't like NSFW tags without NSFW content? Ok, for compliance, every post needs to contain a picture of an asshole".

Reddit will probably either take over the remaining communities or let them die. It still has critical mass. It'll survive, at least for a while, until something better comes along to replace it. I hope Lemmy will be able to do it but I doubt it. Too many rough edges, too many issues around federation and defederation, no critical mass (yet).

It will continue, just without the users that are most IT aware. The rest will stay and probably never noticed anything.

Same reason everyone except IT pros use Whatsapp. The masses are stupid, and go where the masses are. 🔄

Imho there’s a few users who generate and curate a lot of content. It’s likely a good portion these terminal online people will leave Reddit, because they’re the ones using 3pa. For everyone else, scrolling quality will decrease, enhancing eternal September

I won't go into analysis on data I don't have, but if we take a look at the History of internet I would say it will survive, like Tumblr and Yahoo. Its user base might shrink to a point but it won't disappear any time soon.

Will I go back to Reddit? I'd rather die.

Reddit will go the same way as Digg. The site will remain, but the lurkers will start to migrate once it becomes apparent that the 1% of us that create content have mostly left. Down the line in a few years, we'll all be laughing at the pissbaby formerly known as Steve Huffman and say "Anyone remember THAT clusterfuck? Oh man, he really thought he had it made, talk about fucking yourself over!"

RIF made Reddit bearable to surf on a phone, without it, there's just no point. RIP RIF, you were a fucking amazing app for the tiny investment it cost everyone!

Yes, too many casual users on reddit that won't feel the changes.

They want that TikTok brain type of experience. Scroll scroll, "damnthatsinteresting," get mad about Elon Musk, ad, "aawww", astroturfed pumping of upcoming movie or celebrity associated with a project, ad. They'll get that, but it won't be the same.

Yes, it will. But at what cost? Over time, the brain drain will likely become more pronounced as moderators jump ship and those who remain become a compliant group of lickspittles. As Reddit faces the consequences of its disastrous policies, it will become even more aggressive in securing revenue - and likely even more despotic. It can take years to build a reputation, and a few months to lose it. I suspect that their CEO has done an excellent job of accelerating this process.

No. It's not even a matter of principles. I literally can't access the site the way I want, so I won't use it. Lemmy is already growing enough and has enough content to keep me entertained. Long term it seems much healthier.

I was one of the first to leave digg too. Other people will catch on eventually and move over slowly. It's not like Twitter where the user base is non technical and the alternative is super technical. Lemmy is pretty accessible and a pretty easy replacement for reddit.

They’ll survive but I don’t think they will be the powerhouse it used to be. They’re a link/meme aggregator with forum functionality. Memmy for me has already filled the void. I’ll pop back into Reddit sometimes the same way I pop into Digg.