Affordable MiniPC / SBC for self hosting? Will connect to 1x SSD and 2x HDD.
Affordable MiniPC / SBC for self hosting? Will connect to 1x SSD and 2x HDD.
Something small and 2 or 4 GB RAM. Raspberry pi's compute power is good enough for me, I'm not doing anything too intensive.
Is raspberry pi 4 still the best answer?
I am a tinkerer and don't mind tinkering. I typically use Gentoo Linux as main OS. I also don't mind ARM or other architectures. I've been eyeing the RockPro64 as well.
I asked the same question a few months ago on a german community.
Most people advised against a SBC (RPI, ...). They're not that much more energy efficient than Mini-PCs (especially with an Intel NUC or Celeron), are more modular + repairable, and use the more common x86-architecture.
You can get an used ThinClient for less than a RPI3, not even to mention a 4. This, and that you don't contribute to more E-waste, is great.
I use a Fujitsu Esprimo Q920 with an Intel i5-4590T processor, 8 gb RAM and only SSDs.
It draws about 11W under normal load, a RPI3 draws about 5-7, including hard drives, the 4 even more with the active cooling and more performant CPU.The RPI isn't that more energy efficient, even with the enormous german energy prices, the thin client costs only a few bucks a year.
The RPI is also more prone to break, especially the SD-card.I'm pretty happy with my current setup, would recommend.
I remember reading that thread! Well, kindly asking my half-german wife to translate it for me. It was very helpful!
Look up 1L mini PCs - Dell, Lenovo, and HP have similar one liter mini PCs that would've been used as a lightweight frontend in offices. They are easy to find on eBay and can be pretty cheap.
For example, my lab at home consists of three Lenovo Thinkcentre tiny machines. I bought them off eBay for $60-80 USD. They each came with a 500gb HDD and 8gb RAM. I have since upgraded them all to a 500gb NVME, 500gb SSD (they have a 2.5" drive bay), and 32gb of RAM. They run as a Proxmox VE cluster.
I think I might have $500 USD into the entire setup, including my 10" wide rack enclosure.
ooh i like the idea of the proxmox cluster
Pi's have kinda garbage IO. You're limited to USB only which is a shared bus (so if you're saturating one hard drive, the other drives won't be able to do shit and I dislike it) you're also required to boot from SD card on a Pi, and OS level writes tend to kill SD cards frequently.
The Orange Pi 5 that I have technically has a PCIe NVME M.2 slot that runs at PCIe 2.0x2 iirc. I've not done it with mine yet, so I can't guarantee compatibility, but that can theoretically be split using a m.2 to SATA controller adapter like that
But at that point and cost the Rockpro64 look like a legitimate option, since PCIe to SATA adapters using a 4x slot exist all over the damn place.
Honest opinion though: look for used office PC sales or government/school district clearing sales. I've gotten a stack of older 2nd/3rd gen intel Core machines at $50 a pop that are plenty fast for light home server use and have full fat motherboards for connecting up a bunch of SATA devices. They're a little more power hungry- expect 50W or more at idle when you have drives spinning - but they simplify setup a lot, they package nicely since you can put the drives inside, and the power supply is built in.
Note that the Pi5 finally exposes PCIe, which introduces the potential for much better IO. technically the CM4 already did that, but that moves the price outside normal Pi prices with the necessary carrier boards to make use of it).
But I agree that for most tasks there are better, more competitively prices SBCs out there. The major reason to pick the Pi is popularity and wide usage/support (which is especially useful for new users IMO).
yeah, it exposes PCIe, i forgot about that. but still a single lane and requiring an additional adapter card and ribbon cable that complicates packaging a bit and adds cost. I dunno, I'm sour on Pi these days since they've spent years screwing over consumers in favor of business customers. I've chosen not to buy their stuff despite the better software support.
I just snagged a Lenovo thinkcentre m700 for £85 on eBay. It’s got an i5 2.7ghz, 16gb ram and 6usb3 ports. It’s perfect.
While the RockPro64 is great if you are looking for something ARM based, I will recommend the x64 based Odroid H3(+).
Mine has an nvme as OS drive and 2 sata SSDs as storage drives. It idles below 10W and uses like 15W under load.
Can recommend.
H3+: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h3-plus/
H3: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h3/ (what I have)
I recently wrote a blog post about the new NAS I built myself and why I didn't choose for a RPI 4. https://jeroenpelgrims.com/diy-nas/
I think it terms of price it won't be much more expensive than an RPI NAS, but you'll get more performance and stability.
If you don't care about power usage and/or connecting stuff through USB you can also buy some older hardware instead.
A low end celeron NUC would be best. I have one that has been doing the heavy lifting for my home services for 4 years
Mine is running on one of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BYZC4SMW which exceeds your specs by quite a bit. They have substantially cheaper models closer to your range, I'll bet you can find something.
I haven't had mine for very long but so far it's been A+.
A steam deck might be a cheaper alternative.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters NAS Network-Attached Storage NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers PCIe Peripheral Component Interconnect Express RPi Raspberry Pi brand of SBC SATA Serial AT Attachment interface for mass storage SBC Single-Board Computer SSD Solid State Drive mass storage
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I'm not a shil for them, but I've been using a zimaboard as my main "server" with a raspi 4 clone running the *arr suite. 2 SATA connectors and a PCIe slot, I've got a daughter card with two more SATA spots, 2HDDs and 2SSDs. I'm powering the whole setup with an old pc power supply.
Just wondering why noone advices to use your NAS for this? Very basic specs but it's on 24/7 anyway and it has disk capacity?
Are they not expensive?