Banned for not breaking the rules, but disagreeing with a mod
Banned for not breaking the rules, but disagreeing with a mod
This makes no sense to me. There's people in the comments literally telling me to go kill myself and that's fine but, me politely disagreeing is worthy of a 30 day ban.
Keep trying, debate pervert. Maybe you can escalate this up to the fediverse Supreme Court.
Empire Files: Emergency Broadcast - Israel's Hospital Massacre & the Gaza Genocide
People of Lemmy,
I see more and more toxic behaviour here. I get that this war/conflict gets to us. And everyone has strong opinions and the debate is emotional. But it reminds me more of the toxic atmosphere that used to be part of Twitter.
I suppose the mods of political communities are having a bad day since the conflict escalated. And they are part of the debate, sometimes maybe making their decisions emotional, instead of neutral and based on reason alone. I -personally- think a 30-day is a lot, even if it is spreading misinformation. But I didn't have a look at the facts here.
Judging by your comments in general, you seem quite an argumentative person. I usually don't like people focusing on negativity and (for example) debunking a single argument out of a post and then concluding they're right and someone else is entirely wrong. It leads to us having unproductive and stressful conversations, once we manoeuvre ourselves to opposing sides that lose the ability to communicate productively and grasp the bigger picture and the context that things are set in.
So. Please whoever is in the right or wrong, make Lemmy a nice place and not a clone of the toxicity and argumentativeness on Twitter. And don't yell at people too much.
OP, please be aware you're often a very argumentative person and a big part of your way of talking to people is opposing them.
please be aware you’re often a very argumentative person
I'm well aware of that. It's the reason I'm on Lemmy on the first place. I love a good, long debate but I still try and be polite and listen to the counter-arguments and engage with what people are saying instead of attacking them as a person.
Judging by the comments here, I'd say it isn't working. (That doesn't mean it's necessarily your fault at this point.)
All I want to say is: You and the people outright attacking you here are setting the tone of the conversation. I don't feel entitled to lecture anyone on how to spend their time on the internet. For me, this thread is too toxic and not my vision of what Lemmy should be like.
Unfortunately, the really toxic people have arrived here, targeting you and spreading hate. I don't think this going to become a productive conversation after that. And I really don't have good advice here. I'm going to flag the comments that are hatred and then I'm out. I'm going to focus on some more productive things somewhere else. I wish you the best. Hope Lemmy strives to become a space for diverse opinions, constructive debate and not hatred and small-mindedness.
If you scroll through the community bans of World News@lemmy.ml, you'll see there's a mod going crazy handing out months long bans for having the wrong opinion on the current conflict. Mods aren't beholden to anyone but themselves, so if that's how they want to mod then that's how it's going to be. Thankfully, Lemmy has hundreds of communities discussing the conflict so you might find better mods in one of those communities.
If it makes you feel better. I also reserve judgement until more information is out. The counter arguments as to why it wouldn't be Israel does make sense to me. Lack of crater. Hospital walls intact. Hamas were firing rockets over the hospital. And the death figure is reported by Hamas. Most likely incredibly inflated.
Since when was recognized terror organisations reliable sources?
Lemmy isn't a place for debates and arguments. If you don't follow the direction of the topic, don't bother inserting yourself into the conversation.
You need to be nice and supportive of whatever is posted, else you're going to have a bad time.Read their code of conduct and you'll find that it's a moderator's discretion to ban anyone they believe is disruptive, regardless of the rules.
So unless a moderator goes on a deranged banning binge, you're automatically in the wrong.
If you can't accept that, i suggest you make your own instance, with blackjack and hookers.I'm gonna steal the term deranged banning binge
I don't see how making my own instance solves anything. I'm not posting from lemmy.ml account to begin with.
From their point of view, only you think there's something to be solved.
A major point of federization is not having to deal with the undesirable rabble. To have your own little slice of the internet where everybody gets along.You don't get along, so you don't belong. Instead, you are very welcome to find or make an instance where you do belong and can engage in conversations freely.
Lemmy's solution is to make the problem go away, which is why in its eyes, there is nothing to solve.
I'm really sorry for what happened to you. And I'm really disappointed because lemmy allows fascist instances and fascist friendly instances to stay, like lemmy.ml, the bears, the grads, and others. Why can't they just leave like exploding-heads did? Why right fascism is bad and left fascism is good, when fascism is fascism after all?
socialists are fascists. war is peace. freedom is slavery. ignorance is strength.
because it is at best a crank conspiracy theory.
[and yes you should do it]
and yes bombing hospitals does make sense, Israel has done it in the past. In fact, the same hospital was 'warning' bombed just 2 days ago
https://twitter.com/AVHospital/status/1713543149774160099
October 15th:
Yesterday, at 7:00 PM, Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, which is our partner in the Diagnostic Cancer Treatment Center, was hit by two Israeli rockets. Fortunately, the extent of the damage was limited.
Today, the hospital has received orders from Israeli authorities to evacuate the facility, including patients, staff, and 3,000 Gazan people who have sought shelter within the hospital's premises.
We call the international community and all humanitarian organizations to take action to prevent the evacuation orders for Al Ahli Arab Hospital and the other 22 hospital, as this action poses a significant risk to the lives of numerous patients.
here is a 2014 article regarding Israel bombing hospitals
The third floor of the Al-Aqsa hospital in Deir al-Balah was struck by Israeli shelling, killing four people and wounding dozens, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health spokesperson.
“Today’s attack on the Al-Aqsa hospital is the latest in a series of attacks on and near medical facilities in Gaza, which have been struggling to cope with thousands of injured people since the Israeli offensive began on 8 July,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.
Join an instance you believe in. If it happens to enough people they will move on.
Banned for being factually incorrect in a blindingly obvious way
Blindingly obvious to everyone else except me, apparently.
Please educate me. I believe I've laid out my argument quite clearly. What is it that I'm wrong about exactly and what are you basing that on?
The argument for it being Israel:
- Israel has complete air superiority
- Israel is conducting a bombing campaign against Gaza
- Israel has threatened to attack hospitals
- Israel has previously bombed hospitals
- Israel has previously bombed this exact hospital
- The audio and visual characteristics of the bomb and the damage caused (captured by multiple, independent observers) match with a JDAM guided bomb, which Israel has already used
- Israeli sources first claimed the hospital was a Hamas base or had Hamas tunnels or arms caches, before rapidly rolling back their position to "we didn't do it"
- It is clearly in Israel's interest to kill Palestinians and destroy Palestinian infrastructure, especially medical services and supplies, because they are conducting a genocide
The argument for it being Hamas:
- Israel says it was
Reddit, or rather
, is controlled by the US security state, so r/combatfootage - which banned all combat footage from Palestinian viewpoints - is not a reliable source. The idea that a 'rocket piece' could accidentally fall on a hospital and kill 500 people (a number reported by a first-hand MSF witness) is laughably absurd. If a Hamas rocket could cause this kind of damage, Tel Aviv would look like the surface of the fucking moon. It was OBVIOUSLY another genocidal act by the entity continuously and overtly engaged in genocidal acts. To think otherwise requires you to want to fall for their propaganda. No one in full possession of their faculties looking at the facts dispassionately could possibly conclude it was anything else.