CHAT CONTROL 2.0 THROUGH THE BACK DOOR – Breyer warns: "The EU is playing us for fools – now they’re scanning our texts and banning teens!"
CHAT CONTROL 2.0 THROUGH THE BACK DOOR – Breyer warns: "The EU is playing us for fools – now they’re scanning our texts and banning teens!" [updated]
I will move to Linux phone if chat control is enforced. Chat control violates all existing privacy regulations. It's insane.
That won't work in the sense on page 35, Article 2 definition (f) it says that this applies to
(ii)an interpersonal communications service;
(iv) an internet access service;
as well, meaning your phone provider and ISP. It's highly the approach to enforce this would couple e-SIM and some app on your phone or computer that things have to be routed through. Or you just don't get cell/internet service.
This has not yet happened even in the most authoritarian jurisdictions, with the possible exception of North Korea. The Internet is built with open protocols so any restrictions will have to be implemented on the network edge. There is no vendor locking for on-prem routers in multiple countries. As long as all purpose computers are not illegal you can still use strong encryption and anonymizing services on your end devices on your own network. So any mandatory surveillance and tracking will have no power there.
Such a tech restriction would instantly kill hotspot capability of a phone. Not that I think they corrupt traitors in the EU wouldn't want to try it anyways.
You're lucky if you don't depend on apps such as banking apps or Ryanair digital boarding passes
We’re going to need a sanctioned phone just for banking and another one for everything else. Plus maybe a third one to take to demonstrations etc. Just great :(
That is a problem for future Melroy. Hopefully some apps can just be used in a web app, so just going to their website.
I also read about android virtualization within a container. Basically allowing you to still run android apps but we will see..
I use hardware TAN generators but my bank's app works on LineageOS and GrapheneOS. If my travel service doesn't accept printed out documents then it is not a travel service I will use.
That's one of the major restrictions for casual use, yes. But if these measures are actually implemented, it might be worth it to have a second phone (or some other device) just for online banking
I think the strategy used the world-over, is to surveil everyone and build network graphs. You may work extremely hard to secure your device and communications, but the algorithms will build up a dossier on you based on all of the people you associate with who are less capable or motivated. Machine learning is insanely good at filling in missing data in an information rich dataset.
And coming soon, Chat Control 3: It Was Never About The Children
Oh, it is. Whoever masters Chat Control, gets to decide whom they can blackmail and rendezvous. Especially the underaged.
Police and triple-letter agencies abuse information all the time to stalk their lovers or to get ahead in life. I bet this will be more of the same.
Hey, anyone care to explain what the fuck is wrong with Denmark?
It's sort of funny they have the reputation as one of the least corrupt countries in the world. It's funny because when you say that something is incapable of being vulnerable in some way, that means at the very least that they are fertile grounds waiting to invite it.
The public does not consider corruption a major problem in Danish society means those that are corrupt can get away with more because of less supervision. The OCDE has serious concerns about the lack of enforcement of bribery paid by Danish companies abroad and the Danske Bank money laundering scandal, which was the largest money laundering scandal ever in Europe and possibly the largest in world (at least until the Trump era), involved - you guessed it - Russian (among other USSR remnants) money laundering. Denmark will do what is good for Denmark, but Denmark is not the EU.
Dunno, my perception of Nordic countries has always been that they have (of course, they're human) corruption, they have organized crime and they have all kinds of social rot, but they also have no reservations in admitting having those or barriers at discussing and trying to help those, which was the reason for nicer things in their societies. Though inside that perception Denmark has always been the worst.
Still, it's all dynamics, and of course thinking you're set causes failures.
Russian money laundering is honestly not as big a problem as the degree of penetration of Russian state secret agents, which both inside Russia and outside is beyond what you'd reasonably expect. If you think a 13 years old girl can't be an agent, you're wrong. If you think such agents can't be a common enough thing, you're wrong. If you think it's limited to Russian/ex-USSR nationals and their relatives, you're wrong.
And that's the state of affairs during late USSR, these services haven't become less professional, the world since then was changing fast enough to sharpen them, but also in ways where they always had the resources to survive hardship and learn.
I don't know what the supreme goals of what one can call Russia's deep state are, and whether I would consider them something good or bad, but I'm sure western reactions to their actions are all 10-20 years late.
Denmark's social democrats were doing rough for a while against the conservatives and far right. After the immigration wave of 2015 they changed their stance (like most Nordics and the EU in general) towards an anti-immigration and xenophobe stance.
This delivered them great success in elections due to them appropriating the popular talking points of the far right. Prior to this here in Norway, the social democrats, even as they were doing badly themselves, joked for some time that at least they were doing better than social democrats of Denmark.
TL;DR The Nordic social democrats, with Denmark in the lead, want to be toughest in class on crime and immigration to do well in elections.
In my opinion, this is just an internal contradiction of late stage capitalism, for which their ideology is not capable to compensate.
They've always been the weird ones
The Meeting was today at 10am. Has there been any news about it yet?
I too am very interested
For fuck saks. This is so deceitful
I give it about a month before they're scanning your teens and banning your texts.
Like trying to control une herde de la chats
If we have the will to fight this every 5 minutes, we should have the will to make it so we don't keep having to. Winning the same battle over and over isn't victory; it's just giving the enemy more time and opportunity to define the terms of your defeat.
This is getting comically ridiculous and I'm tired, but I suppose that's the point.
they won't stop until they are deposed.
OK so how do we do that
A law banning the entire attempt to even crate such laws.
Switch to mesh networks could be an idea. It is not that difficult to send messages with bluetooth, problem is adoption: a system like that works only if there are many people using it.
Imho, a Linux phone would help. Banning encryption is only possible because of GAFAM and their tie over "our" devices. Like android phones loosing sideloading. Meanwhile snikket.org would be a very illegal app in such dystopian future.