Famine
Famine
Famine
ACKTSHUALLY THO the Irish potato famine was socialism actually. Because see the British were trying to save the Irish FROM socialism, so they HAD to take all the crops. Because, ummm, if they let the Irish keep the crops that they grew, WHICH WERE FOR THE BRITISH, then that was socialism.
Also the Irish did it to themselves they were just too lazy to work. The British were starving too. Because see the famine. And it started in Kansas. JUST LIKE THE SPANISH FLU. So anyway now we have a free and capitalism Ireland like baby Irish Jesus intended.
Glad to have cleared that up mate.
somehow they stayed away this time. lol
This meme reads as a criticism of capitalism and common anti-communist rhetoric. It doesn't do any apologia for authoritarians, which is what usually sets off the "libs"
Forced famines are fucked up regardless of state ideology. Shame on the UK and on the USSR.
The 1930s famine wasn't forced, though. It was a combination of adverse weather conditions leading to lower crop yields, wealthy farmers called kulaks killing their livestock and burning their crops to "resist collectivization," and some degree of mismanagement. It's important to recognize that pre-1930s, Eastern Europe had regular famines as well, and that following collectivization the 1930s famine was the last famine outside of World War II (when the Nazis took Ukraine, the USSR's breadbasket).
Churchill intentionally caused and extended the Bengal Famine, he hated Indians:
I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.
India was under authoritarian occupation by the bloodthirsty British during its last famine.
Same as Ireland right?, is it really a gotcha moment to say capitalism doesn't work because sometimes it is installed under an authoritarian system, even though more so socialism is installed under a authoritarian system vast majority of the time
All states are "authoritarian," the difference is which class is the ruling class. In capitalism, that's the capitalist class, but in socialism, it's the working class. The state is simply the instrument by which the ruling class in any given society resolves class conflicts in favor of the ruling class. That's why in socialist countries, metrics for the working class have skyrocketed, but they largely stagnate or decay in capitalism.
About famine, how far off is the US from it? If their farmers are failing as bad as they say they are, coupled with droughts in various other farming areas around the world, and if Russia is still bombing agriculture in the Ukraine, are we in store for shortages any time soon?
Not communism is bad, it's bad an asshole in the gov, calling it communism without beeing it, but an fascism. It's like North Corea, called an communist system, but it isn't its an fascist dictatorship, with an asshole lider, not the people which gov. This certainly is a bad system, but not worse as capitalism, Its when the extreme right took with the extreme left, than its always deadly for the people. Currently a real communism don't exist in the worl, because any intention to form it was sabotaged and corrupted by the capitalist elite, they all are more ore less bloody dictatorships.
Some animals are more equal than others
This is wrong, plainly. Fascism is a thoroughly capitalist ideology, no existing socialist state can be classified as fascist. The idea that socialism was simply sabotaged by "elites" ignores the material reality that socialism brought tremendous democratization, decreased disparity, and massive improvements in life metrics for the working class wherever it has been implemented. This is just centrist meandering more than anything.
As a side-note, Animal Farm is chiefly about how much Orwell despises the working class and believes them to be beyond stupid and incapable of governing themselves, destined to be taken advantage of no matter the system. Read A Critical Read of Animal Farm for more on this, Orwell was a homophobic, anti-semetic anti-communist fed that reported on suspected communists to British intelligence.
The notion of dictatorship in a sense of a single person running things is deeply unserious. As Anna Louise Strong puts it in This Soviet World:
Define communism and fascism. And read an actual political book instead of the shit that they literally teach you when you're a preteen (animal farm/1984), they teach it to you then cuz ur too young to handle the real shit, but now you can.
Don't forget the bison skull mountain in the US. They exterminated the bison population for no other reason than to starve the Indigenous peoples into submission.
"If your hunter gatherer lifestyle is so great why are you starving after we deliberately starved you?"
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Committing one genocide to further another...