lemmyusa 9/14 shenanigans: mass vote manipulation, or reasonable response to serial downvoters? i report, confusion ensues, you decide. maybe.

Briefly skimming that... one idea that comes to mind would be if maybe users have more ability to fine tune but also customize not just one 'feed', but many.

Like different playlists for spotify kinda.

Don't just have comms I'm subbed to.

Let me sub, but also, let me as a user, sub to it, and put it in my minifeed that i name... politics, or news, or tech stuff, or, happy animal pictures, or whatever.

Afaik, you could do that all clientside, maybe not in lemmy itself, but certainly via a frontend app or some other kind of way of viewing lemmy.

You can do what I just described with NewPipe, for youtube viewing without ads.

So this way, instead of 'all' 'local' and 'subs', you have like 'custom subgroup of subs 1, 2, 3, etc'.

Having that paradigm on its own may significantly alter the perspective of the average user toward 'i am responsible for the kind of stuff i see' and thus take a more active role in curating their own content, as opposed to just expecting someone else to do that for me, and complaining/lashing out when i see things that i dont like.

wait wait wait…. let me get this straight…

you don’t allow discussions on your content… you regularly post inflammatory and regressive news articles from alt right rags…. Want to appear on the front page so you admit to vote manipulation to force your content where it is not wanted… because you complain that you should not be down voted, nor defederated because your message should be forced out there…

am i getting this right?

so you are an advertisement agency for right wing lemmy and your content are ads then?

because you're locking all topics in fear of discussion, voting is the only way to interact with your community.

Hey uh, while we're at it...

Can you tell me why there seems to be an account on lemmyusa that... seems to be impersonating SatansMaggotyCumFart?

Is that really him?

Or is that an impersonation?

... Do you have any idea?

As neither of us think things like sending people suicide/death threats is acceptable...

I would hope that we would both also agree that it's pretty not cool to have somebody running around impersonating someone else, putting someone else's words into say, your own mouth.

Ok.

So, this is the crosspost.

I duplicated or reposted someone else's post.

But I duplicated it because of what it showed... ie, this was all ongoing before either the original post or this post.

Also: I genuinely missed that you have rule 7, which does say no serial downvoting, in the comm.

That's my bad, I will try to update the main post here, with more accurate information, when I can make sense out of what is going on.

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However:

You could just temp ban them.

A time out, instead of being exiled.

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Also, did you actually have this rule 7 before this all commenced?

Genuine question, I missed those sidebar rules in the conservative2 comm.

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Also... can you actually show that these people were actually serially downvoting?

A serial downvoter would be something like an account, whose only interactions with your comm or your instance, is to downvote more or less every post.

If there are a flood of random people downvoting just one particular post or topic of posts... that would be a bunch of people just expressing their dislike.

(If they are actually saying things in comments that violate your rules, thats another thing.)

Serial means repeated, like a serial killer keeps killing people?

It does not mean a lot of different people share a dislike of something.

A downvote brigade implies an organized, formally orchestrated network of people (or I guess bots, which so far have been pretty rare on lemmy, in my experience).

.World is functionally the default instance that most reddit refugees or just normies land on.

It is possible that there is some kind of an actual brigade going on.

It is also possible a lot of people don't or didn't like Charlie, and do not need any kind of formal organization or direction to feel that way.

We wouldn't want to just silence all their voices simply for expressing their dislike of him via a downvote, would we?

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I have also pointed out in another comment that one thing ya'll could do, could consider, is to simply remove downvotes from your instance, like, remove the ability of anyone and everyone to downvote anything.

Other instances have done this, it is possible to do, but I am not or admin or developer, I do not how to implement that.

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All that being said, I am glad you are here, communicating earnestly... that is to me, much more preferable than being a bit of a troll as with Chad, or not being present at all... this way we can have an actual conversation.

Donald J Musk does not want conversion in his posts, he does not want debate, he does not want to argue. He only wants adulation and praise. He goes as far as locking posts so no one can comment. The only thing you are left is block, or down vote his misinformation.

Voting isn't a Lemmywide opinion score

That is precisely what it is. I would say that browsing only a particular community's content and none other is not the most common way that people look at Lemmy.

It's ok for mods to say "this community is only for people who actually like its subject".

Dude what kind of content are people posting that is prompting any detectable number of people to run around downvoting all of it?

Personally my opinion is that if you're using multiple accounts to artificially inflate your number of up or downvotes, you're doing something wrong, but if you just don't like a bunch of content, it doesn't really matter whether "you are part of the community" or like its subject in terms of whether or not you should be allowed to enter downvotes. That's why they're there, for stuff that people don't like. You can always visit an instance which just doesn't allow downvotes, if you feel your stuff needs to be insulated from anyone being able to say that they don't like it.

There are a number of ( lemmy ) instances that have a 'conservative' comm.

At one point, one of those was run by a genuine conservative mod... but they then abandoned it.

Then another person... it may possibly have been SMCF, but I am not sure about that... took it over and then ran it as a parody of itself, for a bit.

Then a 'conservative2' popped up as another 'genuine' comm.

All the above is my best vague recollection and should not be considered highly accurate.

Nonetheless... if something actually did play out along those lines... this fits the reddit style MO of meta-drama based naming conventions.

It would also fit with the general online right wing agitator MO of intentionally sewing confusion as to who is who and what is what.

It's from !conservative2@lemmy.today (which seems to have been deleted or removed?). I don't get why the move to a new comm when they already control !conservative@lemmy.today.

For what its worth, I cross posted this, I did not write the original title, and I also agree that simply being a conservative instance is a terrible reason for defederation, muchless automatically.

What I do have a problem with is Power Tripping Bastards who enforce rules that are not stated, who have double standards, who are hypocrites.

Myself formerly being a conservative from a conservative household... I held not being a hypocrite as a higher virtue than anything else from my default worldview, and I altered my worldview instead of abadoning my integrity.

There are doubtlessly other such people, who could potentially be persuaded, as I was, by sound arguments, appeals to empathy, 'think of it from the point of view of the other'.

However at the same time... no one is or should be obligated to deal with having to argue with or try to teach hostile and aggressive people all the time.

I would personally prefer a standard of who is federated/defederated to whom be based more on the capacity of the mods and admins to have reasonable rules and also enforce those rules reasonably.

Not merely on face value political alignment alone.

The idea here is that wanton banning of people who downvote things is the issue.

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They could be doing this in a documented, organized, vote bridage fashion.

They could be doing it in an entirely self directed manner.

And between those two things is a spectrum.

There could also be downvote bots.

Or, maybe they're just being falsely accused of something like that, without good evidence.

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But the problem that I see is that... there is no actual rule or rule set to cover any of this, on lemmyusa, nothing exists describing the acceptable bounds of how often and when you csn downvote.

And what that means is that all these people are being banned arbitrarily, which means that there no real rules, the real rule is 'the admin/mods ban/delete whatever they don't like', which would make them Power Tripping Bastards.

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Actual legit admins and mods will always have a degree of their own discretion and interpretation of rules.

Evaluating those edge cases is an important function of this comm, as is also allowing people such as yourself to inadvertently self-report when they break fairly clearly defined rules and norms, and erroneously identify this as impartial, unfair moderation.

But when mods/admins offer very dubious reasoning for their actions when they are clearly following unstated rules or have obvious double standards... this is bad, and we try to discuss that here.

Are you really so stupid as to have just here outed your alt account?

EDIT:

Well done.

please do not tell me how to vote from my own account because you are not the police thanks

What are we going to get called this time, tankies, fascists, or libs? Place your bets