How it feels to use Debian

The Debian 6.12 kernel trying to find modules for your fancy new hardware:

Using a Debian is like being able to stay in bed in the morning. Heck, someone might even come by and change the sheets while you're in REM and you'll hardly even notice.

Everyone else is up and running about like headless chickens fighting dependency wars and system vulnerabilities and cutting themselves on that bleeding edge and you're hugging xteddy in blissful slumber.

Speaking of which, has he been ported to Wayland?

I have been using Gentoo for over three years and I feel exactly the same.
Updating the system after half a year when I didn't have time to do it? Absolutely painless, everything works.
And I get to quickly remove parts of software due to USE flags.
Also, no releases, I just update, no changing sources, no full-upgrade... just the same command every time.
There are binay packages for folks who don't want to compile locally.
Gentoo is the way.
- Gentoo is awesome! But I hope you update at least your browser more often than that?
I have to switch over to debian some time. I sadly followed the many positive recommendations of Fedora and now my laptop crashes every time I wake it up from sleep.

Join the Debian Trixie upgrade fun today :) https://micronews.debian.org/

"bookworm" is now oldstable and "bullseye" is oldoldstable.
So “bullseye” got promoted from outdated to antique?
- No, just how Debian LTS versioning works https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldOldStable. So Bullseye is still fully supported with security updates, but now you really should have a plan to update 🙂
No way, I just upgraded my server to bookworm this week!

Just last week I updated the kernel in my arch laptop and now the touchpad doesn't work anymore

Luckily the solution was just pacman -S linux-lts

Ever since I switched to LTS my computer has actually become remarkably more stable.

true but only if you dont use the latest hardware. IMO, if you already have a computer then Debian is 100% crash proof, minus user errors. Using the latest computer spec on Debian is just a nightmare.

The correct way with a new computer with recent hardware is to install Debian Testing to get a recent kernel, firmware and mesa and stuff, but put the code name of the next release into your apt config instead of "testing". So then when the next version is released, you can just stay on that, now stable, version.
Trixie just got released today though, so for the time being you can probably get away with using that.
- Wouldn't it be better to use backports? Testing doesn't always get security updates if a package is problematic and can't migrate from sid for a while.
Or proprietary shit
Debian is the only distro that if installed on my iMac 2013 shows a black screen after installation

Time to download new Plasma bugs! I just hope it will decrease crashing frequency to once per week with Wayland backend, with Bookworm it was once per day, which is not fun if you need to keep several windows open.

Using Plasma Wayland on Debian sounds like you're deliberately setting yourself up for a lot of pain.
- I've been using Plasma Wayland on Bookworm since Bookworm came out. Never had any issues. I'm using AMD GPU though.
- I've used it on Bookworm for like a month, then gave up and switched to X11.
I'm on Fedora with Plasma & Wayland, everything just works... Honestly not sure if Fedora is doing something special or all this talk of Plasma being crashy is overblown.
- Plasma has a cycle of releasing a bunch of new features and changes, and then squashing bugs every week when they discover them.
  Debian is on a 2+ year release schedule, and the packages are frozen long before the release. So plasma might be either working fine, or be broken for 2+ years.
  Fedora is semi-stable because it's on a 4 month schedule, and AFAIK they don't rush upgrading to new major plasma versions, so plasma works a lot better.
  Generally from my experience, plasma works best on rolling distros, while it's crap on stable ones. Stable DEs like xfce are incomparably better suited to stable distros.
- I haven't had plasma crash on debian, fedora, or opensuse using wayland on three completely different, albeit older setups. It was completely unusable briefly on opensuse with an Nvidia card, but zero crashes that I can recall.
- Same, went to Bazzite after a decade on Fedora, it's been YEARS since I've had any issue with Plasma
Plasma 6 is a significant upgrade for sure, especially on Wayland! I'd rate the crash frequency (on Fedora) at between once per week and once per month ;-)
My work laptop has Kubuntu LTS, which is on Plasma 5.27 with X11, whereas I get to use the latest Plasma with Wayland on my personal laptop. Granted, I don't do much gaming or such, but I definitely run into fewer bugs with the latter...
Hopefully when plasma crashes the clients don't, so that's something at least
- Nope, plasma-session crash means all your windows are goooone.
  If it's only plasma-desktop or kwin crash, you can generally restart it from a terminal, and you need one terminal window open at all times to do that, since you won't be able to launch a new window with no desktop, or you try to launch it from the text console, which works badly because it won't see your plasma-session environment.
I had 0 crashes with plasma 5.27 on debian 12 and I used it for 1.5 years, I have been using unstable for 6 months with plasma and only 3 crashes of which plasma mamaged to recover gracefully on all of them, I genuinely dont know how people get Plasma to crash so much more often than I, and I have only used the wayland session
I've been on Debian Kde with X11 for this very reason, well, this and the lack of wacom support. But I heard upstream in Kde land, things are a lot better now, so I'm happy to try again. If not, well... see ya in 2 years or so.

Going into the Trixie update blind with no backups, first reboot was already a failure, wish me luck.

Success! Only real issue was the nvidia-persistenced.service not starting preventing boot, running sudo apt purge *nvidia* and reinstalling resolves the issue.

Try arch) it'll not boot at all

Debian releases when it's ready, so do I -- I update when everything is ready.

If I waited until Linux desktop was "ready," I'd still be using Windows.

Debian: where change is just background noise 👌🏼