Understanding MAGA’s Obsession With Pedophilia and No Other Sex Crimes

Claims of pedophilia trigger a strong emotional response. So MAGAts use them against their enemies.

Pretty simple, really.

Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)

https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80

Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac

Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/

—————————other Epstein Information

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.

Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo

Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Epstein and Israel both hired lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on internationally | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid

Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/

Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs

—————————other Trump information:

Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY

Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”

Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/

A good summary of Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75

• ⁠Much of this info can also be found on: https://theepsteindocs.com/

Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it is never “lost”.

Campaigning against a crime is only important if it hurts political opponents. If it hurts themselves, then it’s they try to cover it up.

The type of crime doesn’t matter.

The type of crime doesn’t matter.
That's not true. Paedophilia is a special crime in that nobody will admit to doing it, and nobody will defend it. Even with murder, some people will admit to it to seem tough. Even with rape, nobody wants to be seen as the guy who has to rape because he can't get action any other way, but in some circles it's fine to force your wife, or get a girl blackout drunk.
In the past the unspeakable crimes were different. Hundreds of years ago it was witchcraft or blasphemy. Even 50ish years ago there wasn't the same focus on paedophilia. Instead the conspiracies were about satanic worship and blood sacrifices. In the future it will probably be something different. But, at the moment the unspeakable crime is paedophilia.
The fact that it's the worst possible crime is important. It means that it's done in secret. That means proof is hard to come by, and that makes it ideal for conspiracy theories.
So, the crime does matter. It can't be a crime that someone will admit to doing and try to defend. It can't be a crime that is done in the open, it has to be one that is done in secret. It has to be a crime where proof is extremely hard to come by, and the only evidence is likely to be hearsay.
But, what's interesting is that the victims don't really matter. If the focus were on satanic / blasphemous rituals, there wouldn't need to be a victim. With the paedophilia focus, the important thing is doing the forbidden act, not the welfare of the victim.
- and nobody will defend it
  Except NAMBLA.
- I’m not saying they’re defending it, but they are covering it up and running defense against it.
  The goal is to stay in power and keep the opponents out of power at all costs. Run defense on the crimes if they point to Trump, and run offense on the crimes if they point to Trump’s enemies.
- The books with his name are a red herring Jeffrey Epstein was not a dumb man, that entire house was undoubtedly wired for video through hidden cameras
Imagine the 2016 outrage if Hillary had been filmed jaywalking.
- Impeding the flow of traffic! This is commerce people! She hates capitalism!
"The grassroots is not trying to make you look bad, We want to try and make sure the bad people that have done such terrible things to you can finally be held accountable"
-Charlie Kirk to Donald trump
To me it reads that the real victim is trump and that he's admitting that the only reason they want to make them "accountable " is that they hurt Trump. It was always a political cudgel. It's why some claim that Democrat (voters, leadership may have a different idea) wouldn't want Clinton going down.

My frustration with the Epstein list is that nobody seems to give a damn that girls were raped, only which powerful men can held to "account".

Rich and powerful men can do whatever they please in this country and nobody cares about that, or who they hurt, only the political outcome matters.

We care that they are held to account, because it would be the first time. We are tired of it.
- Unless you are a child survivor of sexual abuse at the hands of the ultra wealthy, you and I are not the we in this story. The survivors are, and I believe the point being made was that nobody who is obsessed with the Epstein list is 1/10th as concerned with making sure the survivors have what they need to recover and thrive to whatever extent is possible.
Um... Holding the people who raped children accountable for raping children is caring about the children who were raped.
And going after the most powerful people involved sends a very strong message to everyone else that no one is above consequences, which is caring about preventing future child rapes.
- You're not wrong, but I do understand where they're coming from. The actual victims always seem like an after thought, if they're mentioned at all. It's almost like they're an abstract concept at this point.
frustration with the Epstein list is that nobody seems to give a damn that girls were raped, only which powerful men can held to “account”.
People care about the girls. They also care about the corruption. Turns out you have to get through one to get to the other.
Rich and powerful men can do whatever they please in this country and nobody cares about that
In my experience, the people who care the deepest are the ones who see themselves as victims (or targets) while the people who care the least / openly advocate for the thing are the ones who see themselves as the perpetrators. When you're living in a Capitalist Dystopia, in which human trafficking is fully normalized and accepted as a Market Efficiency, the predators have the weight of government behind them.
But also, there's a strong whiff of the anti-abortion types behind the "Save The Children" rhetoric. Like, you're not saving the children, you're saving their virginity which is rightfully owned by their parents. Pedophilia becomes a crime against the Fathers and Betrothed Husbands. This isn't a crime against people, it's a crime against a very valuable collectable, which the Libertarians and Theocrats consider a greater sin.
- As horrific as it is, you're completely correct. This is the dirty little open secret of patriarchy
- Thank you for pointing this out. There's a bizarre American obsession with owning your child's virginity
Yes, the right will allow their people to get away with a whole lot if it means they get to “win”. The left does not operate that way, even the fuckwit centrists don’t pull that shit every time.
And excuse me but the reason I want these people to face serious consequences is because they committed a serious crime and hurt people. Literally the fact that people were harmed so badly is the entire point!
Your comment would carry a lot more weight if it made any fucking sense. The only way it does is if you pretend as though the near entirety of the left doesn’t exist and as though that group does the same cult bullshit the right does, for which there really isn’t much evidence at all beyond a LOT of people being mad that the person they need to vote for is often a pretty pathetic alternative to the insane fascist that the conservatives keep propping up.
Christ, we can do two things at the same time. We can take care of the victims AND persecute the criminals. One is a MUCH bigger challenge than the other and so obviously we’re more focused on that. Fucking D’UH.
People do realize IMO, that's the heart of the issue. That's the source of the outrage beyond rich assholes taking advantage of, and injuring young girls.
*spoilered for possibly distressing content, sensitive readers' discretion advised
People love celebrity gossip and the victims are mostly nameless.
More than that, though: I think we all feel bad for those nameless victims, and all the numberless, nameless victims of not-famous abusers. I think the public is so frustrated at the apparent inability to hold anyone accountable, that they will latch on to any glimmer of potential accountability. I mean, To Catch A Predator ran for 3 seasons just trolling random dudes on the internet.
- I just want to add that it's probably best for the victims that they remain nameless. They don't need to be known or recognized for their terrible experience or repeatedly and unexpectedly reminded of it, even by people who only mean well. And especially by perverts who don't.
The books with his name are a red herring Jeffrey Epstein was not a dumb man, that entire house was undoubtedly wired for video through hidden cameras

This article is pretty good, but I think it's missing a major piece of the picture here.

The rest of the picture is about sexual repression, religion, the concept of sin, self-hatred, and projection.

You know what other thing that isn't a crime that these people treat the same way, with a desire for retributive violence? That they also often put on the same pedestal as pedophilia, acting like it's just as evil?

Being any stripe of LGBTQ+. They have the same rage and violent tendencies towards them despite being any type of queer or trans not being dangerous to others and as such isn't a form of crime.

A little background story that's related. I have a trans friend, and she's been in an on-again/off-again relationship with a deeply Christian man for almost a decade. Every time they got close, they would eventually have sex, and then immediately after he would have a "come to Jesus" moment and stop talking to her and disappear and say he couldn't be her friend because she was a temptation toward sin and he couldn't support her "lifestyle." That he needed to repent. Then, eventually, he'd come back around and "temptation" would get him to do the same thing all over again.

This is the deep, deep problem here, in my estimation.

It's like how Grindr crashes when there's a Republican convention under the heavy load (heh) of traffic from closeted right wing men who want to hook up with each other while all in the same town. It's like how the most religious areas also have the highest rates of viewing transgender pornography.

It's about sexual repression, self-hate, viewing it as a "sin", and projecting that self-hate on to others, erroneously thinking that if the thing that causes "temptation" is removed entirely that they will no longer be tempted. So they want to violently remove the temptation (people) from society so they can be affirmed in their belief that they are good people and not broken sinners.

I'd argue that it's exactly the same with pedophilia. It's about the thing they hate within themselves that they want to project onto others and use as a weapon to wipe out the temptation. They think if they just kill all pedophiles it will stop, refusing to accept their own pedophilic tendencies which are driven by it being a sexual taboo, just as they see being queer or trans as a sexual taboo. It's really a gross and pathetic way to live.

I believe the article is right about it being a legitimizing tool for violence as well, but I also think it's deeply tied to sexual repression, self-hate, and rejecting their own problems, pretending only other people are the real problem. They're just tempted by sin, they're not evil, they just need the temptation to be stopped for things to be "fixed." When they make "mistakes" they want others to give them forgiveness and patience, not to be violently put down like they want for others who do the same things as them.

After the trumpers are done victimizing Latino and other immigrants, they will go after LGBT. The red hats are constantly equating being LGBT to being a groomer or pedophile. LGBT will be the next out group that gets kidnapped off the street with no due process, and pedophilia/sex crimes will be the justification.
Exactly. We have to get to the root of the issue

This opinion nails it. The crime is an excuse for violence. Our society mostly accepts that rapists of adult women should be held to account by the law. We might accept (but not condone) the desire to kill someone who raped a family member.

But a great many see violence as divine retribution for harming a child. And MAGA types have a bloodlust that they feel righteous in aiming at pedophiles. That’s why they thrive on the topic.

After the trumpers are done victimizing Latino and other immigrants, they will go after LGBT. The red hats are constantly equating being LGBT to being a groomer or pedophile. LGBT will be the next out group that gets kidnapped off the street with no due process, and pedophilia/sex crimes will be the justification.
- Yeah and every "gay conservative" will be "shocked"
- They've made no secret of their intentions. They intend to eradicate anyone who isn't just like them. If they have their way, they'll get me for being an atheist. But there are a lot of people they'll have to get before that, so it's not like I'm worried for me. But I am worried for my friends and loved ones who are most definitely at risk right now.
- They've already started on trans people

Children are symbols of innocence. They cannot have the blame shifted to them but they also cannot take agency or demand their voices be prioritized as victims. That's why these people insist on blurring the lines between people molesting young children and epstein hiring teenagers as sex workers as well as the constant insistence that teenagers not be given any agency or autonomy. In many ways this is the abortion debate but with sex crimes added.

Hell, when they care about sex crimes against adult women they infantilize us and use it as a cudgel.

Projection, they want to blame others for their own faults. Embodied in their cult leader just recently again by him going after Obama for treason.

It's pretty simple. Lots of MAGAs would rape women if they could get away with it. Looking down on pedophilia is their way of feeling better that someone else in a world where they're demonstrably the worst people.

all this virtue signalling and yet nothing is done about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States

Well said, as though the entire arrangement were legitimate simply because of marriage, instead of some human trafficking and pimping. There's been efforts to address this problem in the ultra-orthodox Christian communities in the U.S. and Canada recently. Of all things, it was the inter-state & international transportation of the girls involved which have lent the strongest judicial tools against the polygamist communities.

This is spot on. For MAGA, it's not that Trump is on the list, it's that the Democrats and elites are. He can do what he wants, they can't. For the rest of us, though, all the names on the list matter.

Further, "liberals" being on the list "makes it OK" if Trump is on the list.