It's baffling to me that hexbear claims to be the most trans-positive space online while also having mandatory support of Hamas, the Houthis, Russia, Iran, etc. as a core part of the site culture
It's baffling to me that hexbear claims to be the most trans-positive space online while also having mandatory support of Hamas, the Houthis, Russia, Iran, etc. as a core part of the site culture
I know that there are a lot of trans people on hexbear, and I know their beliefs are sincere. What I don't understand is how they square the fact that they would be brutally suppressed, raped, tortured, murdered by the very groups/governments they unwaveringly love and support. It sickens me. Is it a manifestation of self-hatred? I just don't get why they would degrade themselves like this.
hamas famously known to be a long time supporter of LGBTQ+
Funny how westerners suddenly care about gays and women when it comes to killing Arabs lmao
"Israel is committing a genocide so support a terrorist organization"?
To be frank, after all that Israel has done to Palestine I don't blame any Palestinian for wanting to join Hamas honestly. This doesn't suddenly absolve them of their terrorist actions and fundamental islamism though.
Israel just murder a hundred innocent trans people. They bombed a prison in Tehran, including a wing that housed the regime's trans prisoners. They dropped a massive precision bomb right on top of the trans wing and murdered a hundred innocent trans prisoners. I can't recall Hamas ever doing something like that to trans folks.
They're attention whores, and you willingly feed them.
i find it oddly strange people from instances like .zip downvote this post @Sami@lemmy.zip , generally i think the zip stance is acceptable of people of all minorities (AFAIK? but Sami is an admin from .zip so.. weird stance to take) which dbzer0 instance would be too then theres some oddities users one downvoted too @anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com some people here really in disguise "secretly" downvoting posts a fascist/bigot bootlicker would
Idk where you're getting this but my client has no up or down vote on this and I don't recall reading this post. I normally ignore flame war rage bait horseshit unless some turd ats me on some purity test witch hunt so congrats I've down voted it now.
For the most part because you can support their right not to be bombed into oblivion to further America’s imperial ambitions and also disagree with how they treat their lgbtq people. Often these countries were left leaning in the past until America installed a right-wing government.
But you can support these people without supporting their corrupt and violent government?
I stand for solidarity with all peoples, not their rulers.
I usually just lurk blahaj occaisionally but your post annoyed me enough to post for the first time in 2 years
From their thread:
https://hexbear.net/post/5521160
Most places in the world are fairly equally shit for trans people. If a place is doing well, it is often hard for trans people still. If a place is in war and in famine, downgrade those conditions a step as you would if it were somewhere nice and calm.
And Iran isn't even the worst conditions. Of the countries with the most trans surgeries, the USA is number one, Thailand is two, and Iran is three. Iran's major cities are very modern and even look nicer to live in than many American ones.
Cost of living is very important to trans people, as we are often making less due to discrimination. Every trans person I've talked to in China has mentioned the discrimination and some unusual cultural quirks, but they've also mentioned they've not met a single homeless trans person. For the record, it's very easy to find homeless trans people in America, you can find some on hexbear even in our mutual aid comm. And despite the discrimination, these Chinese trans people have cheap housing in the downtown of major cities
Lol some top comments from their struggle thread following this one:
Stupid fucking ass moron liberals can't fathom having multiple different priorities, and in this case holding internationalism and socialism through anti-imperialism as a priority above sexuality or gender-identity.
I actually think they CAN comprehend it because they all hold nationalism above these things anyway. Gender-identity and sexuality to them are deprioritised when it comes to America's strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia for example, why? Because they are nationalists that place their nationalism and supremacy above that of these issues.
The good old "well, they're muslim so they have to be as bad as the Taliban/ISIS and completely indistinguishable. I won't look into this at all." thing. Israel's policies are in line with many of these nations on LGBTQ, with exceptions only to pink-wash their genocidal ethno-state.
LMAO I got 4 comments deep in their thread before I bailed from the radioactive dumbassery. First one accused me of masturbating while writing this post (WTF?!), second accused me of supporting bombing those countries (I don't), third was defending non-voters (Because Trump loves LGBT, Iran, and Palestine, right guys?) and the fourth said Iran has better trans healthcare than the US ( Hmmm... Wonder what that could be about...)
Really? Right in front of my blahaj.zone?
I'm pretty sure if someone posts something transphobic, ada personally hunts them down and shoots them with a rifle.
Hexbear are a bunch of transwashing chuds.
My understanding is that the majority of them want to see America fall (for good reason IMO, we're just billionaire slaves) so they vocally support the opposition to America. They understand the terrible aspects of some of those countries, but given we live in a western propaganda machine that covers those issues readily they focus on pointing out Americas hypocrisy and highlighting all the issues that our propaganda agencys (news) ignore and sweep under the rug.
You'd be better of asking In an instance that isn't defederated from them (like mine), I assume yours is defederated since nobody from hexbear is here yet.
Some of them actively Stan for the authoritarian regimes and deny their atrocities, even when there is concrete proof. Even when it’s obvious who is in the wrong.
Others are just pointing out why other countries respond negatively to the United States’ actions.
They are not the same.
Yeah but then they go and stay stupid shit like "censorship is a good thing". So it's kind of hard to understand the Tankie mind when they literally support oppression. Westerners may be brainwashed by propaganda but at least not all of them are authoritarian bootlickers.
This is MeanwhileOnGrad you're writing in.
TBF, they do criticise Russia for its LGBT policies: https://feddit.uk/post/9516220
I don't think they support (modern) russia, they do oppose ukraine though.
Bizarre how almost everything they post is regurgitation of Putin propaganda. Believe what they do, not what they say.
They most certainly support them
Wrt China, there were some threads about how why you shouldn´t move there if you´re lgbt+, but it´s all just a really smart play by the CCP "because such rights should come gradually and it would be too divisive at a time where their people need to stay united and strong"
Find one person who has a fully consistent ethical and moral framework. One.
Ah, the whataboutism. Inevitable result of the confused tankie when confronted with reality.
"Whatabout"
bad bot
Consistency is so easy: "I'm right, everyone else is wrong, in all questions, for all eterntiy." Done.
If anything my point would be closer to "I'm wrong, everyone else is wrong, in all questions, for all eternity."
It's not like Israel would be any better.
I don't support Israel either
Whatabout aside, in the specific areas of trans rights they are better than most of the places listed by OP, from what I can tell.
I mean, on the LGBT+ front, Israel is not going to imprison or murder you just for being queer like other countries would. But they might if you're the wrong shade of brown and call their invisible sky daddy the wrong name, or even just have the wrong political opinions online. Or even if they think you're close enough to any of these things that you're probably enough of a bad person anyways.
But IIRC, Tel Aviv nevertheless has a notably robust queer community, so it's probably still safer to simply exist there as a gay person compared to the 60+ countries where homosexuality is criminalized, or the subset of those where it can actually get you killed.
At any rate, countries/organizations can be bad in different ways, so I don't think it invalidates what OP said, even if it's possible to whatabout other examples that the hivemind would agree with more.
There's just this bizarre Israel apologist stance that isn't founded in reality whatsoever, and it's almost as sinister as the extreme hatred of Jews generally.
I'm perfectly contented to take a non-interventionist stance on pretty much everything in the middle east. You can't protect any group in that region without aligning with fascists.
So did the Palestinians. My ex did a few journalistic pieces on that. Go look up Tanya Habjouqa and the photog work she did on middle east trans people. It's fascinating, beautiful, and sad.
mandatory support of Hamas
Are you conflating the support of a nation with the support of a state that exercises control over that nation?
We aren't, but hexbear seems to.
Hm. Alright.