Finally it makes sense. Now i can understand how to read those manga memes on lemmy.
You get used to it pretty quickly.
It's so natural that I can go between either comic/manga direction and not even notice.
I wonder if my brain would be confused by a manga going L-R?
Is this loss?
Glad I wasn't the only one
?agnam
Ah, damn, didn't know the speech bubbles had top-to-bottom precedence...
From panel 9 how do you decide to go down instead of left? From panel2 how do you decide to go left instead of down?
You tend to finish the right to left line to the end of the page before moving down any. So if 2 panels are in the same "line" like 2 and 3 are, then you finish out that line before moving down. In a case where one panel is larger and spans multiple lines it'll generally be laid out to belong to it's lowest line if it's on the left side of the page, or the highest line on the right side of the page. So since 12 covers both the line with 9, and the one with 10 and 11 on it you'll generally read it as belonging to that lower line and it'll be 12.
Yay an answer that makes sense
Easy, you just guess the wrong pannel first every time, and then find out when the next page gives you the context.
I really am new to manga, but what I have noticed so far is that there are subtle flow queues in the art itself. For example, there might be a very thin line between those three cell and a thicker border between them and the larger cell to the left.
Have the same question, but hazarding a guess - the rule of thumb would be using the bottom of the cells as guide?
Kind of, yeah. Though if a larger panel is on the right rather than the left you consider the top of the panel rather than the bottom. So like if you swapped 12 with the 9, 10, 11 cluster it would just be 12, 9, 10, 11.
I like that when I line them up on a shelf in numerical order, all the pages are lined up in order as well, with the end of one book touching the start of the next.
isn't it the beginning of one book touching the end of the next if they are in ascending numerical order?
If it's a Western-style book, yes that is so! And by ascending numerical order, I mean number 1 on the left side. When you put English language Book One on the shelf spine facing out, its cover gets turned to the right side (unless it is upside-down!), touching back cover of Book Two. But Manga will have front cover of Book One snug against the left side of the bookshelf, and its back cover touches front cover of Book Two. You should go try it with your books, just to see it happen. Feels good.
if that's truly the case, shouldn't the art form be written as "agnam"?
Fun fact, it used to be right to left (1 letter each and line break in vertical writing, then right to left columns) before they adapted left to right western writings.
They're mostly gone by now but still some old places keep the order. For example, trad confectionary place named とらや toraya have their shop curtan reads inverse やらと yarato)
It is pronounced agnam.
The visualization was nice. It's easy for me to forget. I don't read them often enough to do this without thinking about it from time to time.
What are the benefits of a language being written to the left?
What are the benefits of a language being written to the right?
Neither is better or worse than the other, each works how it needs to for its language.
Japanese was written vertically, so characters are ordered from top to bottom while it is the lines which are separated from left to right. The slow leftward advancement allows a person writing on a scroll to write with their right hand while unrolling the scroll gradually with their left. In modern times you can write Japanese horizontally, but in that case you usually write from left to right. Characters written horizontally from right to left is only done in exceptional cases.
I just realized that top-to-bottom also solves the problem with smearing discussed in another comment. Your hand is moving down, away from the fresh characters. By the time you move over to the next line, the top is already dried. (Especially with the time it takes to fill a line with kanji, which are denser than Latin script.)
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.
I don't know if there is an advantage or disadvantage. There are other writing directions as well. Like boustrophedon, which starts in one direction, and then when you get to the end of the line the next line goes the other direction. This sounds like a better way to write to me!
Egyptian hieroglyphs can be written either RTL or LTR, you tell because the animals and humans in the script face the beginning of the line.
TIL, I think I was over thinking it and would have gone from 7->9, and gotten all messed up. Thanks!
Basically the priority is to make as many unbroken right to left lines across the whole page as possible. You don't generally move down unless you've reached the leftmost edge of the page. Notice how here if I draw lines across the panels to show the path my eyes take and read 12 before 10-11 my reading line is going to run back into the line I made already? So you read 9 and go to the next line, considering 12 to be part of that lower line so that your reading lines don't intersect.
