France to ban smoking outdoors in most places to protect children
France to ban smoking outdoors in most places to protect children
France will ban smoking in all outdoor places that can be accessed by children, including beaches, parks and bus stops, the health and family minister has announced, ahead of World No Tobacco Day on…
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Good!
If you can’t smoke outdoors and you can’t smoke indoors, where can you smoke?
In designated smoking spots and in your own home. I’d extend it to vapers. If I can smell the shit you blow out your lungs then it’s very probable it’s in my lungs. Didn’t sign up for that. Personal freedom reaches up to the point where you infringe on the freedom of others (in this care my freedom to not have to breathe your smoke)
There are a lot of smells that you are expected to deal with, it seems like kind of a reach. I consider most parfums thoroughly unpleasant but I dont expect it to be made illegal.
That being said, I'm okay with this because of the littering aspect.
The smell of perfume doesn’t cause cancer. Second-hand smoke is proven to do so.
You must have a hard time being anywhere close to a car if you think you are getting cancer because of a 2 second wiff from some guys cig on a beach. Seems like exaggeration, cancer isnt some lightning bolt that hits you the moment you get a hint of something bad near you.
cancer isnt some lightning bolt that hits you the moment you get a hint of something bad near you.
You're correct, it isn't a lightning bolt. This goes against your statement, not with it. It's an accumulation of increased risk, and eventually it just happens (or doesn't). The more things that increase your risk the higher the odds. You don't just get cancer because someone smoked near you. You have an increased risk of cancer based on how much you've been around your entire life, and everything else that contributes. Reducing risk means reducing as many contributors as possible.
You must have a hard time being anywhere close to a car if you think you are getting cancer because of a 2 second wiff from some guys cig on a beach.
One thing is bad, so we can't do anything about another thing? "People are being killed by cars, but we can't work to reduce that because people are dying from heart disease!" How silly.
The impact from those few odd times someone is smoking near you in an open areas is not proportional to the risk you are attributing to it imo. I am bringing up cars to highlight that.
Less exposure to smoking also makes some people less likely to take up smoking, as its presence isn't so normalized. So that's a lesser burden on medical infrastructure and fewer sources of secondhand smoke. Wins all around.
Let's ban cars too
I can get behind this.
Cars don’t make me choke, but good point! I’d ban them from the cities as well.
Air and particulate pollution from cars is actually a pretty significant factor in respiratory health.
Yes, we need to ban cars as well, pretty much all internal combustion. Unfortunately there are technical reasons that will take a while, but we’re making progress. Even worse my country has turned it political with regressives gleefully trying to turn back what progress we’ve made
I wouldn't be so sure that my formaldhyde perfume isn't carcinogenic, and that hasn't been banned anywhere.
True, but at least vaping isn't going to hurt you like secondhand smoke, and vapers don't throw butts on the ground.
Lots of waste from single use vapes.
mostly because they don't extract the lithium ion cells
There have been studies that show vaping to be just as dangerous, if not more so that “traditional cigarettes”
False
Really? The only negative effects I've heard of were the "popcorn lung" from unsafe additives and obviously too much nicotine. Do you have a link?
Evali was ONE event that happened because they used E vitamin as base instead of PG. It's coco oil iirc and it just keep bubbling up like soap.
But what about "seconhand smoke", if I may call it that?
Seconhand smoke from vaping is also dangerous:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4565991/ https://www.healthline.com/health/second-hand-vape#effects
TL;DR: Mainly it's nicotine exposure, but vape smoke has been found to also contain lead, formaldehyde, & toluene.
That's not what that study says.
prolly a phillip morris shill
In your own home thats not around anyone else? Nobody wants to breath in your cancer smoke except retards.
I don’t smoke, but I also don’t want to live in a world where you can’t.
I want to live in a world where people don't force their vices on bystanders. I don't give a shit what you do to yourself but it matters who you do it in front of. (Smoking in a house with children should be a crime)
Everyone forces their vice on bystanders in some capacity. I consider censorship and Puritanism to be a vice that is forced in nearly every aspect of society. It’s moral fetishism.
Between the two, I’d rather see someone smoke a cigarette than be judgmental towards others.
Judginess doesn't cause asthma attacks.
They’re free to smoke when and where they’re not harming anyone.
Like outside more than 10 feet from a doorway? Surely 10 feet is enough to change your walking path and save yourself from a waft.
If you’re a smoker you may be surprised at the distance your smoke impacts other people. The smell, the cloud, The ash extends far beyond a mere ten feet. Where I live the law is 20 feet from an entrance and that’s just not enough.
The problem is you can’t change your path from an entrance because you may have to enter and exit. The problem is further that multiple smokers tend to congregate at the mandated distance so the smoke is much worse. It needs to be significantly farther.
But then it’s worse again in a city area, where the sidewalks are also a bottleneck. I can’t always cross the street to avoid smokers but frequently have to pass right next to them. And I’d like to point out they are the ones inflicting their vice/addiction on others. It should not be my responsibility to get out of the way of their bad habit when their reasonable accommodation would not inflict it on others
My point is that it is within the realm of normal annoyances from other people and there should be a reasonable expectation of both politeness from the smoker and tolerance from others. A strong perfume, a fart, body odor, spicy food, and many other gasses can be encountered at any point from a similar distance, but nobody suggests punishing people for those.
I find the desire to over legislate things due to personal preferences about how other people behave is a bigger and more annoying vice than smoking.
This is why we can never have good things. There’s always someone who doesn’t care about their fellow human beings, doesn’t care about acting shitty, doesn’t care that their choices impact others. Run into enough anti-social people who will not cooperate with society and the natural reaction is to establish a rule.
I would much prefer we have a civilized society where people care about their impact on others and equally care that others have a right to their preferences and we can all figure out how to live with each other. But people suck. Or too many people do
And yes, people do complain about excessive perfume, body odor, and flatulence. I personally would not legislate these because it’s a lot less frequent, a lot less potential lung damage to bystanders and people show shame. If I complain about someone having too much perfume or it triggers a perfectly normal allergic reaction reaction, you can bet they’ll be embarrassed and likely to try not to reoffend. If I complaint about smokers too close to an entrance stinking up my clothes, making me inhale their ashes, ruining my dining experience, do you really think they’ll be as accommodating?
Anywhere where it doesn't bother other people.
I enjoy spreading my ass cheeks and feeling the sun on my anus. It really takes the edge off, ya know what I mean? If I can’t do it in the park or the school playground, where the fuck can I get my sunnies?
School playground might be a bit much, but I unironically support your right to sun your anus in the park. We all have them, we shouldn’t be ashamed.
Exactly. Those damn kids don't deserve to be protected. Little shitters