US federal judges consider creating own armed security force as threats mount
US federal judges consider creating own armed security force as threats mount
Isn’t that what US Marshals are? Or do they mean specifically one not under control of the DOJ?
Proposal would move security under judges’ control as justice department has vowed loyalty to president
It's in the description... So yes, one under the control of the Judiciary, not the Executive.
Ah, thank you. Yeah, that makes sense. Good move.
Yes.
It is entirely possible at this point that the Marshalls could be ordered to arrest a Trump admin lawyer, who has been deemed being in criminal contempt of court, or some other LE official that's been found to have committed a crime...
And then this person could then be defended by the Secret Service, or the other members of whichever armed LE group under the Executive branch...
We already have unnamed DOGE, ICE, DHS goons going around basically doing the reverse.
At somepoint, we could actually get an armed standoff or confrontation between two different groups of armed, federal personnel.
Its very uh... early 90s Russia, if you ask me.
The second once, since the attorney general is a fascist.
What did it say in the article?
So what happens if the thugs in the DoJ clash with this judicial security? Are they prepared to turn their weapons on the DoJ officers? If not, then this is only to protect judges from stochastic terrorism at the hands of tRump supporters. Dark passages up ahead, I fear.
The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary, regardless of what these assclowns are trying to cosplay.
The Judiciary is equal to Executive and Congress. That's just a fucking fact. A Federal Judges ruling has the same weight as any bullshit Executive Order Trump can crap out on paper.
That seems to matter little to this regime. So, I ask again, what happens when they clash? We saw them stage a situation and try to arrest sitting members of congress and a mayor. In a sane world, you are correct. We don't live in that world so subordination doesn't matter!
The only fact that matters is whose orders are the cops going to enforce.
Those are only facts if someone enforces it at the business end of a weapon.
If they aren't ready to put down fascist jackboots they aren't gonna be able to do the job.
Which threats? The ones from the POTUS?
Sure seems like they should start holding his administration accountable, right? RIGHT?
No, from the brownshirts who have been systematically threatening and murdering the judges and their families who oppose fascism.
They still need Congress to fund it which seems unlikely.
So we are nearing the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Secession part…
Not quite.
Ok, i take it back then.
As they should be scared. They are currently dismantling the United States… did they not think there would be ramifications?
Honestly, I have the impression that they don't. The 1% already won the game of life, but they insist on doubling down and gambling the nation for...line go up?
The wealthy are addicts without restraint.
I'm sure there are a lot of court cases i don't hear about but they seem to be siding with the constitution most of the time.
I was thinking that maybe the US could use three presidents - West, East, and Center, each heading up a major chunk of territory. SCOTUS could be expanded to have 50 justices, each state appointing a single justice to represent them on the supreme court. The presidents each could select a single head justice, whose job is to communicate the viewpoint of the executives, and to write up the conclusions that SCOTUS factions have reached.
That sort of thing should help maintain the intention of the Constitution, where branches - or rather, interests, constantly jockey against each other, thus being equal. The problem with our current politics is that too much power has been concentrated into the hands of too few people, essentially destroying the balance of branches.
West, East, and Center, each heading up a major chunk of territory
Fuck no. Don't lump us minnesotans in with basically exclusively red shithole states.
Yeah I'm starting to think that a triumvirate is the way to go for the office of the president. Let's have a head of state, a head of government, and a head of _____ idk. But the job is too intense for one individual and we need an escape hatch while also having stability. So we could impeach the head of state but keep the head of government so shit still gets done during that transition.
Isn't that what the states are for? The federal government is supposed to maintain basic security and then the states are supposed to do all of the actual societal work but it all seems to have fallen apart. To be honest it had fallen apart long before Trump.
That's such an EU thing to do 😄
Everything is fine. We're completely fucked.
This needs to happen!!! The start of the rebels
Maybe it's time for the Senate to start forming a Grand Army of the Republic?
We can have Luigi head up the council of Jedi
Wasn't that the US marshals?
EDIT: for the non-historians among us, this was Ernst Röhm, head of the Nazi Brownshirts (SA), a paramilitary organization used to primarily cause havoc amongst the population and competing political parties, but also in charge of protection details for high ranking NSDAP officials, later replaced by the SS when Hitler had him murdered due to lack of trust.
Fun fact: historians call Hitler's purge of Ernst Röhm and other brownshirts "The Night of the Long Knives". Ironically enough, Hitler used that expression in a post-purge speech in which he claimed that Röhm had himself been planning a night of the long knives assassination of Hitler and other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the expression came to be used to describe Hitler's actions.
Nah, we need politicians to be able to feel fear, imo. If they never have to think "will this come back to haunt me?" then that's going to enable a lot of awful shit.
Or they can take responsibility over their actions? Lol who am I kidding.
The courts can take responsibility over their actions? They seem to be doing most things right. Even the SC seems to be making the constitutional decision a lot of the time.
It's the president that is stiring up his base against the courts when they rule he did something unconstitutional. And that happens almost every day.
They’re not doing anything about the president violating the constitution.
They can't. Congress has to do that.
Supreme court could just manifest the ability to fund a system of officers of the court from thin fucking air if they wanted to.
I have recently started to learn how to use a firearm, because it feels like that the US is headed for a 2nd Civil War. Hopefully the money and time spent on that turns out to be a silly reaction...but if asked, I will serve the Free States, be it as a soldier or court marshal. Trump and the GOP is a tremendous threat to me and the other innocents of America.
You would best serve the "Free States" by helping and protecting your family, friends, and community of like-thinking associates- firearms may be required.
Can't recommend a shotgun enough.
VR80. Semi-automatic 12 gauge, with magazines. If you live in a state like California, you can treat it as something like a split or lever action, which allows you to release the magazines. I figure semi-auto would be needed if combat becomes a thing, especially if drones start delivering pain. Shotguns are one of the more common options for anti-drone defense in Ukraine.