Student Demands Tuition Refund After Catching Professor Using ChatGPT - Slashdot
Student Demands Tuition Refund After Catching Professor Using ChatGPT - Slashdot
A Northeastern University student demanded her tuition money back after discovering her business professor was secretly using AI to create course materials. Ella Stapleton, who graduated this year, grew suspicious when she noticed telltale signs of AI generation in her professor's lecture notes, inc...
For fucks sake people, it's not hard. AI can be useful to generate drafts or give suggestions, but ultimately everything has to be tweaked/written by an actual human expert. AI is a tool, not a product. If something isn't edited enough to have no trace of AI signature left, then you're being lazy and putting out garbage.
it's "hard" because every peddler of AI is pushing it exactly in the way you say, and I agree, is wrong
This is it exactly. I use ChatGPT to double check things when I’m second guessing myself and I use it to make assignments.
Almost everytime, I need to tweak things but it turns 40 minutes of work into 5-10 minutes.
I think there's a sweet spot you can hit, but sometimes I fight with it so long to get what I want, that by them, copy paste whatever is good enough... To be fair, I'm not an educator
"He's telling us not to use it, and then he's using it himself,"
Yeah it sucks but there is zero chance this argument holds any weight in court.
The problem is that a student has a reasonable expectation of being taught by someone qualified and knowledgeable in the topic. If the professor is using AI, then that is a major breach of trust that brings into question the professor’s qualifications and whether you are actually getting the education you are paying for.
Not to mention the risk of plagiarism
Yeah, I had teachers change the rubric on the day of the final and even after and the deans at UCSB didnt care at all. Teachers can do just about anything under the guise of education...
Pretty good pizza at Woodstock's, tho.
LLMs should augment your skills not substitute them. That's just laziness or incompetence.
Or worst case scenario it means your job is replaceable.
Agreed.
I'd be pissed too. This is sloppy as hell.
"He's telling us not to use it, and then he's using it himself"
Just because the teacher might have screwed up doesn't change that experts in a subject can assess LLM output, while a student who knows jack shit about the topic can't. Just because the teacher messed up and let ai weirdness degrade the quality of education in the eyes of students, doesn't mean just anyone can use chatgpt to generate college courses.
I read the original article but not the interview. I wonder how much communication there was about the work before the student decided they deserved a refund.
Ya I mean, you could buy the teachers versions of textbooks on eBay in the late 1990s… pretty sure teachers didn’t want us using those.
If I see a representative or senator using ChatGPT, could I demand that he resign from his position?
You could, but you would be pissing in the wind asking.
Isn't the phrase meant to be "pissing into the wind"?
I'm already asking, no one listens to the people anyway
Holy crap... slashdot still exists??
It’s still the same 10 users complaining about systemd
Never forget, never forgive
Oh crap, the last time I looked at Slashdot comments, systemd didn't exist yet
I checked it out again when reddit did their api fuckery. The progressives left and the libertarians are all that remain. I didn't stick around long enough to get a better feel for the situation.
Why do people not review their LLMs output?
Well of course I do.
...Gemini, review this ChatGPT paragraph
This is unironically a technique for catching LLM errors and also for speeding up generation.
For example in speculative decoding or mixture of experts architectures these kind of setups are used.
I had professor usi g worksheets watermarked by another professor at a college in another state, y'all think anything came of it? He also gave us all the answers to the tests in the form of self graded quizes and let us take them into tests.
HS diplomas became a joke, degrees are becoming a joke...
As someone who was a TA a bit, I think that is 99% because if schools tried to hold students accountable to the standards of even ten years ago they would have to fail 2/3rds of their students.
Highschool becoming a joke means none of the kids have strong enough core skills to be tackling real college work by the time they get there, but schools cant afford to enforce actual quality standards for work. The graded model has completely fallen apart at this point given how steep the curve is. The quality of work that gets an A today would have been a B or high C from 10-15 years ago. Of course there is real A grade work being done too, but what defines an A grade has ballooned to a ridiculous degree such that most of it is not really A grade work
The problem isnt new, it was already bad 10 years ago to be honest. I had a professor in community college about 10 years ago who had been a professor at ASU, and she had quit teaching there specifically because the university wouldnt allow anyone to be graded below a C, regardless of if they did any work or not.
Most large public universities are just degree mills at this point, or bordering on it if not
You say that but I've had two classes this semester with an 70%+ fail rate. One of them probably needs addressed in the sense the professor was ass, but one was just straight up hard. They gave no fucks about failing over half the class. The pre-req for that class also had a 60% failure rate (based on who I see repeating it).
I don't doubt some universities are degree mills, and ASU has always been known as a party school, but I assure you it's not as widespread as some would believe based on my experiences at 3 universities.
That being said, the quality of student certainly seems to have dropped.
I'm currently doing an online Master's with Northeastern. Honestly not surprised this happened, the quality of classes is WILD.
Taking 2 classes per term, and each term so far 1 class has been very well designed but also insanely easy, while the other has been so poorly implemented that the course learning materials don't actually help you do the coursework.
Probably most astonishing so far though is a course I'm taking now just served me with the literally exact same assignment that I did for a course I just finished. Now, granted that both classes are from the elective course choices, so not everyone will take both, but come on... and they grill me about plagiarism with every submission I make...
I reuse assignments between similar classes, because maybe those classes share a learning objective and that assignment is just gangbusters.
In cases where students take both (which, we actively discourage because of the similarity of courses), I have my team require the students, for example, use a different person as their subjects for the two assignments.
This assignment is literally a fill in the blanks to complete a set of code to make it produce values expected by the assignment.