The Privacy Iceberg

Iceberg of the year! Btw I would place tiktok the 1st over all softwares in layer 1.

I am apparently the privacy activist (not using Monero, SimpleX Chat, Degoogled Chromium, or Keypass, though). I do use uBlock Origin (Gecko ffs!) and Bitwarden (self-hosted Vaultwarden). Unfortunately, I am using Telegram, but trying to move all my contacts to my own Snikket server. It's a very slow process.

I wouldn't put Telegram at that level. I would put it in "The Brainwashed." Its encryption is disabled by default. You need to manually enable it on each chat, and you can't enable it on group chats. The app gives a false sense of privacy. Telegram flaunts its end-to-end encryption, but it never mentions that it is disabled by default, and it refuses to enable the default. The final result is that people are not using the feature.

A cryptographer and professor wrote a good piece about Telegram's encryption, calling it "unusual" and the "non-standard authenticated encryption mode ever invented": Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?

I always wished I could pull a House M.D. and just start a life underground.

I use KeepassDX and Aegis, I use Facebook, Viber, Whatsapp and Gmail to communicate, use Linux, also use Lemmy as is apperant from this very comment. I have uBlock Origin installed on Firefox as the main browser, I also have Protonmail as my main email, also I use simpleLogin. My search engine is DuckDuckGo. I also use ProtonVPN and used to use Opera VPN.

I am from all of the above tiers

I don't see Blokada mentioned here. It definitely deserves a mention somewhere.

What's the logo between Tor and ProtonVPN?

I'm a mix of UbO, Firefox, Windscribe, Windows (modified), Protonmail, Discord, and Cash

I think this is the first time I've seen an iceberg meme with sources and explanations for each item. Fantastic. Your work is appreciated.

I was at the bike shop a few weeks back and a ghost walked in. He came in wearing a medical mask covered by a bandana, sunglasses, cap. They wore gloves, long sleaved pants and shirt.

First question from staff, 'this a robbery?'

Ghost, 'no, I just need 27 2.5 tubes, miss.'

They get the tubes, he agrees. Staff asks if he has an account. Ghost says, "nope, why would I need one?" Staff says they do it for records, insurance claim assist, and discounts. Ghost goes with a John Doe, pays cash and peaces the fuck out.

Total King, but dude was given up a lot. Half of us were drinking beers enjoying a warm evening in spring. I hope he has had some good rides.

I can say with confidence thay he was a white male. In his 50s. About 5'10". 140 lbs-ish. If anyone wants to get any tips, good luck!

Funny how you need more and more technical knowledge to go deeper into privacy, until the last level, which is basically giving up on technology itself.

TIL I'm a privacy activist--who can help me get to the ghost mode?
(Do I even want to get there or is that limited to journalists who have entire states trying to unalive them?)

It's genuinely wild that Firefox and LibreWolf are nowhere on these

Can you explain why you would think Steam is so bad? I would argue they're pretty fair, especially with the option to buy steam cards for cash to not disclose your personal data. Does the client do some unsavory shit?

ExpressVPN is an arm of Israeli intelligence and should be on the tip of the iceberg: https://www.reuters.com/technology/expressvpn-employees-complain-about-ex-spys-top-role-company-2021-09-23/

All users should cancel their accounts immediately.

I have no clue why telegram is often mentioned when it comes to "privacy focused messaging". They don't even have e2e encrypted group chats. Only 1:1 chats may be encrypted as an opt-in. Even WhatsApp is more secure than that, since they use signals encryption.

Also the "we don't give out even a byte of data to anyone" statements made by telegram have been thoroughly debunked as lies. When telegrams bottom line is in danger, they have and will give out your data.

Tried the Privacy Activist and Enthusiast section. Was not really fun and you loose connection to most of your friends and family. Now I have a balanced setup with something out of each layer. Perfect balanced, as things should be

I don't like hackers and spying

brave

lol. lmao, even.

What’s the issue with steam? I thought the epic game store was the one actively spying on your device

Apple: “Brainwashed”

iMessage: “Beginner”

Well which one is it?

On browsers, as you put Chromium then also put Firefox or deMozillaed Firefox e.g. WaterFox.

I'd put Brave back to the 2nd layer due to relying on Chromium and being heavily marketed while gathering data for its crypto scheme. I'd also put Firefox on the 2nd or 3rd layer.

Was going to say links or it never happened but you provided them! And categorized by level! Excelsior!

Thanks also to the comments giving more information.

So grateful for this platform. For the most part.

Thank you so, so much for the transcription, appreciated!

Brave 🤮🤮🤮

Kudos for inclusive alt texting!!

I give workshops on privacy. I always tell them that if they get nothing else out of my presentation, its that they should use a password manager.

Honestly I think keepass should be beginner. That comes first before everything else.

Also I think Tor Browser should come before VPNs. Its free and easier to use than VPNs (for when you want to google something secret and don't want to be tracked. Most beginners are selective like that)

Oh, am I that far gone?

TAILS is missing :(

Weird how Apple and iMessage are not in the same category. How do distrust apple’s privacy claims but trust iMessage?

Sadly, using small niche VPNs that might be more trusted makes you stand out more. It's pretty unusual to have a Mullvad user on your server

They don't rotate IPs as well so a lot of them are blacklisted... and don't offer port forwarding anymore

I wish they could change IPs reguarly and add port forwarding back :-( - I would happily pay for their service again

Because 5€ for their current service is overpriced

Pretty good!! I agree with 95%.

Loved the "As seen on TV" category!

I agree that Tuta is more secure than ProtonMail.

Some are blended like Tor, that should be in Activist if used in secured computer.

Was not aware of the existence of Coincarp (logo by GrapheneOS). Is a crypto price tracker used by Activists? I left crypto a couple of years ago but though Activists just don´t trade much and stick for the long haul and use Monero for purchases.

f-droid? the guardian project?

Impressive, an academic grade meme.

You, sir/madam, are an artist and a scholar

This is a modern art masterpiece. I've starred at it for hours while installing Arch Linux on my brand new T480.

Thanks a ton OP for linking to all the tools and services in description, this is an awesome resource!

The problem with mullvad is a lot of its IPs are flagged as bots or denied around the web. Is there a good VPN that will still give access to most of the web?

How the heck is TOR less secure than any of the vpns? Also nice vpn psyop/ad.

Where's GOG.com?

On the 5th layer I'd add NitroKey or YubiKey to remind people that in addition to software you can have physical tokens too.

I just switched from Android to iOS, and while I have many complaints, I’m pleasantly surprised by how “walled off” the apps mostly are. Unlike Android, they have to comply to function for the general public.

It feels a lot more like tier two, where it isn’t like a spyware implant but your banking app or whatever will still function. And yes I know it’s far from good, just talking degrees here…

@Charger8232
It's nice how firefox is just nowhere in there

Throw away mobile phone and just use an air gapped machine. Your productivity will tank but then you’ll eventually add local databases of the shit you actually need on your air gapped machine and your productivity will triple.

The only thing stopping me from being 'the Activist Group' is that Mullvad requires payment. Sorry, but I'm running a little tight on budget.

At the same time, I can't use Proton VPN for torrenting.

As a US citizen your crypto transactions need to be individually listed in your tax returns. It’s the main reason I don’t use crypto, it makes my taxes super complicated.

Using basic things like Graphene OS and keepass shouldn't be considered privacy activist

What’s open wrt for?

Also, I am out of the loop? What’s up with firefox? I have used it on linux mint for maybe 6 years now with uBlock. Currently trying to use DuckDuckGo as default browser because that Google AI results thing is starting to annoy me.

Cash and Monero being on the same tier is very funny

Why is Incogni bad?

Malwarebytes is good in my opinion and ads didn't told me about it. I discovered it by myself. And nowdays ads can't really tell me much because I block every single ad I just possibly can.

ayo, I think I won the privacy bingo! thats what this is right?

Wow this blew up. People still not getting the meme portion of this?

Thanks for providing this. It is obvious you put a lot of time into this. Truly appreciated. I will have to look into these.

How did you find these yourself?

Enthusiast level. Not bad. Not bad. Also where would you put librewolf?

What is so bad about nordvpn? What makes protonvpn better?

Been a nordvpn user for around 4 years now. If I need to switch I'll do it, this is just the first time I've heard it isn't all that great.

I use Keepass but mostly for convenience and I don't understand why it's in the 5th category. If I have 50 different accounts with 50 different passwords but they can all be had with one keepass password, how is that different than having 50 different accounts all using the same password?

Anyone else noticed you are descending and are dangerously low in the pic? I didn't realize lol

You play games on steam? clearly brainwashed.

also how dare you slander Malwarebytes like that

I think I'm probably slowly transitioning to "the ghost" but more as a matter of digital minimalism than for privacy lmao

Monero? Really? I used to mine it and know about it but just advertising crypto is just weird.

I already made browser suggestions https://lemmy.ml/post/29712598/18453254 but I would also add Ceno https://ceno.network/ in the 5th layer due to its P2P and caching nature.

Gold is great until you find out you can manufacture it and mass production was kept secret to avoid what happened with diamonds.

I'm like a mix of the three tiers above ghost and in not really trying to be which is odd

You can replace the generated image by searching for images of "Goggle wool ski mask" IMHO.

I use something from each tier except the As Seen on TV tier.

sexy chart!

Could use some anti-malware/AV for beginners and privacy enthusiast level.

Not everyone in there is running a secured OS.

Android missing?

Hi from near the top of the iceberg. I have five from the top and two from the next level down, plus two from level four. A balanced diet?

Yeah Tor is just straight up unusable for most sites.

In regards to addy, are my messages private in relation to the service or does it only serve to keep my anonymity to other threat actors?

Too bad I can't upvote more than once. Thanks for making/sharing

I guess I'm in the privacy enthusiast section. Although I do use searxng. And I will admit I do use some things from the top layer, like YouTube and steam. Also i don't like how proton is a section above tuta aside from quantum safe encryption which is meaningless at the current state of technology (I agree that could change soon) aside from that proton mail is just as good as tuta.

I use everything from the privacy enthusiast section on a daily basis except for addy.io and tuta since i use proton for email and email aliasing.

@Charger8232 I am privacy enthusiast and I don't plan to go any farther - lack of privacy in one direction, lack of users in the other direction 😁

I am precisely in the middle of this chart.

Is tuta better than protonmail?

Is it easy to implement Openwrt?

Mark boyle, the man who quit money and electricity