Amongst other allegations, Courtney Love said they had oral sex when she was just 12 years old.
More about the allegations against him here.
What an awful day to be literate.
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Huh, se he's one of the reason Courtney Love is that way that she is.
Republicans love him because of course they would.
They are the party of "every allegation is an admission".
The only other musician that's firmly in their camp is Kid Rock and I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone
My shit pants guy
I respect but also feel sorry for people who are sexually attracted to children, but manage to control themselves. They have to work extra hard constantly just to not be monsters, while the rest of us never even have to worry about that.
Well this is certainly a thing that someone typed once. I’d counter that it’s not simply that people are innocently attracted to children and therefore deserve sympathy. I’d say there’s more involved in that attraction. You can’t reasonably engage in any romantic or sexual abuse encounter with a child without there being a totally lopsided power dynamic and a high degree of exploitation. I’d argue that for all such people this is what draws them to it. Within that context it’s not some innocent ‘miswiring’ of the brain but instead an individual that is completely unhealthy and mentally unwell that is entertaining the idea of grooming some child. That’s the part they are after.
I know there’s a movement to try and see pedophiles as anything but what they are and you can sit and have thought experiments about ‘the ones that act vs those that don’t’ but at the end of the day you are left with a deeply unwell individual that desperately needs inpatient psychiatric treatment, psychiatric medication, extensive counseling, and total separation from any children.
Exactly - they need treatment and help so they don't act on it - but with the demonizing that's happening I'd guess that most of them are too scared to open up and try to fight their urge on their own.
I'd guess that pretty much no-one wants to normalise pedophilia in a way that makes acting that attraction out normal but making it more normal to talk about if and seek help similar to how depressions aren't nearly as stigmatized as 50 years ago
That is absolutely a worthwhile argument. I definitely agree with you about treatment, medication, and counseling. Total separation from children is probably for the best, as well. If these people can be helped, they should be - not just for their own benefit, but for the improvement of society as a whole.
Well, you'd be wrong. Pedophilia is well studied. It's attraction to children, and there's a huge amount of variation in how that is expressed and how the psychology around it develops through a person's life. Baselessly claiming that all people with pedophilia are just rapists who want easy prey is unhelpful nonsense.
Yes, they need treatment – and threatening them with torture and death will discourage them from seeking treatment.
I respect people who [...] manage to control themselves
That's such a weird thing to say though.
Imagine you are in love with someone but they are not interested. Do you take pride in the fact you didn't rape/groom them because you "managed to control yourself"?
We're not animals. Controlling your sexual desires should be trivial for any decent human being.
Controlling your sexual desires should be trivial
Maybe it should be, but is it actually trivial? Addiction in general is a real thing, isn't it? For someone with say an eating disorder, maintaining a healthy diet isn't trivial at all. Paraphilias are different morally where they involve harming others and not just yourself and so it's more important to not act on them, but I'm not sure that means it's easier for a person with a paraphilia than it is for other sorts of people struggling with controlling their behavior.
IMO what it comes down to isn't whether these people deserve sympathy though, the more important consideration is preventing abuse. To me what the OP image shows is that the "just kill 'em all" attitude is unhelpful bullshit leading to pedophiles and abusers hiding in plain sight. What would be better is a conditionally supportive community that knows what they are and keeps tabs on them well enough to make sure they stay away from kids.
Welp, it's clear these aren't mentally well people so something that's just expected from normal people can be an achievement for them.
I get what you are saying but I think it's probably easier in general for people in normal relationships because even if they get rejected, they have an opportunity to form a relationship with someone else. Someone attracted to minors never gets that chance. They aren't allowed (for good reason) to even try.
Obviously pedophilia isnt a great thing and pedophiles who abuse children should be punished severely, but I don't think it's a choice to be born attracted to minors. So it's unfortunate for them. Definitely not an easy topic.
okay but ted nugent doesnt control himself
Your point is valid, but my assumption when reading this comment is that Nugent is not someone that falls into op’s sphere of empathy.
Completely agree that Ted definitely does not appear to have exercised any restraint on his urges.
Not defending or attacking op’s comment, just trying to read it correctly.
I’m not talking about him, then, am I?
And even when they do control themselves consistently without fail, most people would still look down on them if they knew...
Most people, conservative or not, could post this image and garner basically no pushback on it whatsoever. Who wants to be the person who's like "hey pedophiles don't deserve that." Like, even if you thought the message was grossly violent, you would scroll past so you don't have to engage in this dumb bullshit.
Not Ted Nugent, though. One of the few people who can post "I hate pedophiles" and get himself buried.
We’re all talking about how bad of a person he is, but not enough about how stupid he is.
I mean… if I literally wrote a song about wanting to have sex with a 13-year old girl four decades ago you could catch me dead before you see me ever mentioning anything related to minors or pedophilia in the rest of my life. Posting something like this is pretty much asking for people to dig up all the shit you did. Like I never heard about him before this and the first thing I know is that he’s a pedo. Great job I guess?
Like I never heard about him before this
You're lucky. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, I knew of him and that he's generally a pos in terms of his politics just from seeing headlines of posts, but TIL because this shithead had to make a sign. It's the very same as how I learned that Kid Rock came from a wealthy family because he had to shoot cans of beer. They're really good at outing themselves.
Link for the lazy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent#Relationships_with_teenage_girls
"Well I don’t care if you’re just thirteen, you look too good to be true" lyrics from Ted Nugent - Jailbait
Oof. I was in the car today and Rick James's 17 came on and I felt dirty just listening to it.
A little girl came up to me, acting young and shy
A look of curiosity was flashing in her eyes
She had seen my face before and thought she knew me well
So I said "Shall we talk some more, you'll come to my hotel"
She was only seventeen, seventeen
But she was sexy
I just had this happen too. A month or so ago I heard Young Girls Are My Weakness by Commodores playing at the supermarket 😬
Gross
Damn, I guess it's time to bury him too then
Oh boy, this guy. The Motor City Moron strikes again!
Gee, a real "human being", what an "inspiring" example.
These celebrities really needs to find better hobbies than posting on Twitter/X.
Like shitposting on Lemmy.
Also, ew, Ted Nugent.
Fun fact: that's how we get rose bushes.
