"Heads should roll": Congress erupts over Trump administration's Signal leak

I agree that "heads should roll"...literally.

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But her emails!!!!

No heads will roll. What most stories miss is that the main reason they didn't use official channels for this (and most likely many of their other conversations as well) is that they don't want to comply with the Federal Records Act. They don't want there to be a record of a lot of the shit they're saying and doing and plan to do.

Devil's Advocate Hot Take:

This is an expression of power. An intentional leak to show that "We get to break rules, and you cannot." We see it as incompetence and abject hypocrisy, but it could be a purposeful leak because they don't care about being seen as hypocrites, they are about showing us they can get away with it. It could also be a Trial Balloon about the kind of wars they intend to wage.

/takes off tinfoil hat

I really think they really are just this stupid, but I think its at least worthwhile to consider the alternative, because a lot of what conservatives do is about using hypocrisy as a weapon and expression of power over others. They want us getting angry about such things, so they can can be cool and collected and say that we're overreacting because they're so calm while chuckling and sneering at us.

"But her emails!" Yeah they don't actually give a shit, they may just want to show they can get away with it. Much like Trump rejecting using a government issued cell phone in his first term and Bush "losing" millions of emails.

Congress: Somebody should really do something to rein this administration in!

Remember in 2016 when the entire magat crowd screamed that Hillary should be locked up for using a private, secure server that was only accessible to authorized individuals?

Surely they won't be hypocrites and try to brush this under the rug, or worse try to blame the editor-in-chief who had no desire to get wrapped up in this.

I'm shocked that the administration of "Put the big boxes of top secret docs under the bathroom chandelier" would mishandle secret war plans.

Imagine that. You have unqualified amateurs in important government positions, and they don't know what they're doing.

From alcoholics, to heroin addicts, to ketamine fueled Nazis, the Trump administration is running like a well oiled crack addict machine.

Make it happen Senate. It's literally your job. So fucking do it

The really sad thing is that in this scenario only Republicans matter. As long as they keep treating Trump as some kind of god-emperor, nothing will happen.

I was going to say "treating him as a king", but England and Canada have kings and would never put up with this kind of shit from a king. England hasn't put up with kings acting this way since the Magna Carta was signed.

The so-called experts on Trump over at the Atlantic wrote a long and boring article on my cellphone usage that is so incorrect I do not have time here to correct it. I only use Government Phones, and have only one seldom used government cell phone. Story is soooo wrong!

--@RealDonaldTrump

The only person in real danger here is the journalist.

Living in the imperial core where a chat error is far bigger scandal than a genocide.

Hegseth is now saying it didn't actually happen, matching their incompetence with dishonesty, the tone of this "merit based" administration

And just like that, everyone has stopped talking about hillary clintons emails.

They only have themselves to blame. If you're actively destroying OPSEC you have no reason to fucking cry.

Democrats..."Why I oughta...If I only...boy oh boy are you ever...sigh".

The worst thing is aside from being inept and careless, there is no chance they aren't selling secrets to anyone willing to pay.

I agree with those who think nothing will happen. Screw ups are an everyday thing for these clowns.

I think the important thing here is to not get distracted and focus on what's really important:

Hillary's emails.

Cue schumer saying that we shouldn't be hasty and should focus on bipartisan bills instead.

"should" is the key word. Trump should be in prison but he's not.

Heads should roll? Maybe, if you ask nicely, the French may share some equipment and experience.

Russia and China could exploit it? They were probably in the fucking chat too they just did not write an article about it

They've got nearly four more years left to completely screw something up.

They keep messing with things eventually they'll cause catastrophe

Rebember when thebRepublicans had one investigation after another aboutbher private email server, even though nothing ever happened, previous Republican SoSs had done the same thing, and EVERY Republican onvestigation found she did nothing wrong.

Now the Republicans have done something a million times more dangerous, did it on an unsecure pplatform, and even incompetently invited a fucking reporter to read it all.

This is the chance to treat Republicans EXACTLY the same way they treat Democrats. EVERY Democrat should bite into this like a hungry dawg, and NEVER let go. Bring it up constantly, Gorilla Glue this to Hegseth, Vance, Gabbard, and the rest of those MAGA Traitors. They need to hear about, and be asked about this every single day, all day, for as long as they hold office.

And Dems shoupd never give up their demands that these people be terminated and prosecuted for their breach of security.

Oh, so they're upset now? What about, you know, when Trump stole a shit-ton of top secret documents that he very probably attempted to sell and at the very least definitely stored improperly and used a lot of lying and juggling to keep hold of? After he attempted to overthrow the government on Jan 6th. If they had moved faster, we wouldn't even be having this whine-fest, because he wouldn't have gotten re-elected from prison.

I read the Axios piece and skimmed the Atlantic original. This is some next level incompetence from this administration. It's bad enough that I actually hope that it's intentional as some kind of dick wagging move.

Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) criticized the use of non-secure systems, warning that adversaries like Russia and China could exploit it.

The singular problem with Americans doing a holocaust abroad is that another country might find out about it in advance.

I mean, just think for a minute. What if we wanted to bomb a Russian orphanage or a Chinese university? They could take advantage of our data insecurity to thwart us!

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) condemned the administration’s mishandling of classified information, saying it endangers national security.

We're carpet bombing people on the other side of the fucking planet. This is so far outside the scope of "national security".

Absolute Ghoul Nation.

SLAMMED

That's bad and all, but: They are using Signal?!

Sure. Outraged over an inadvertent leak, but totally fine arming a country committing genocide, trying to strong-arm the victim of relentless aggression into giving up 1/5th of it's territory, letting disease spread freely in the nation, detaining people without charges, kidnapping people off the streets and deporting then to violent foreign prisoners without due process, weakening our defense industry, alienating every ally and partner we have on the planet, threatening to annex countries, starting trade wars, taking away women's healthcare, threatening the most vulnerable members of society, etc etc etc. All that other stuff is fine, but sure, let's raise holy hell over an inadvertent leak.

Uh oh, they're expressing outrage now. I'm sure someone will suffer.

Literally.

"Non-secure systems" uh. No. Systems that aren't in the US control is what you mean.

As @asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world pointed out, Signal is insecure as in the access to the message wasn't controlled. It's like stripping naked in front of an open window with the lights on in your house. Yeah, technically, you are inside your home where it's private. But if you aren't pulling the shades everyone gonna see it

If (isConservative(fuckwad) === true) then "totally okay" else "not okay at all, impeach, repeal, reject";

Good ad for Signal at least?

Oh Im sorry, I thought you all quit.

This is surprisingly a middle ground. I've been seeing people on the right just as pissed off about this. They have a point too in that there can be two truths here.

He could have leaked information and needs to be held accountable.

The claim that the information leaked as stated can be exaggerated.

Just be careful out there that they don't rope you into looking like idiots by being over dramatic.

Buttery Males!

So we are more worried about the privacy communications instead of how we are bombing Yemen. Great. Fantastic.

Guy sold have kept quiet and just relayed everything straight to Yemen.

Beyond stupid, can you imagine how hard Putin is laughing at the 34 count felon right now?

"House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) offered more of a defensive response, arguing that the administration "has acknowledged it was a mistake."" THEY LITERALLY DIDN'T. You have one of the guys from the chats saying 'look how insightful this chat is we demonstrated impeccable leadership and no one was hurt (because the journalist was legit and didn't offer the info to America's enemies'

Heh. Same happened in Sweden some time back, but on a less serious issue, where a journalist was invited to a emergency meeting for the Liberal party over Signal.

Any republican party member who stands up for this will be threatened with having their seat put up to a primary challenge. This is just a fact.

Remember, whatever the administration says can only be interpreted by fact by anyone who is part of the party. If you aren't in line you aren't in the party.

The undesirables will be shipped off to a camp far from the public's eye and shaven, beaten and humiliated.

Everyone there should lose their security clearance and be fired for such an egregious lack of OpSec.

Lawmakers from bOtH pArTiEs

Reminder that Don Bacon barely won NE-2, a purple district that went for Harris, and shouldn't be used as an example when citing Congressional Republican outrage, because they're not actually outraged.

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) condemned it with the words "Nerf THIS!"

It's amusing watching Free Republic go hmm, errr, Atlantic = North Korea, err, fuck this is bad.