Why It's Crucial To Expose US Provocations in Ukraine - Antiwar.com
Why It's Crucial To Expose US Provocations in Ukraine - Antiwar.com
If you believe that Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked, you will likely compare Putin to Hitler and will likely oppose President Trump’s peace negotiations with Russia. After all, if Putin’s invasion was unprovoked, a settlement would reward naked aggression and would be akin to Nev...
If you believe that Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked, you will likely compare Putin to Hitler and will likely oppose President Trump’s peace negotiations with Russia. After all, if Putin’s invasion was unprovoked, a settlement would reward naked aggression and would be akin to Neville Chamberlain’s 1938 appeasement…
The only concrete assertion I see in this linked wall of text is:
Ukrainians are "dominated in their thinking by neo-Nazis”
…Which is false. And tremendously ironic in the current political climate in the EU/US.
The rest is just a whole bunch of whataboutism about how the US is a pompous, warmongering ass, which is true. But it’s no excuse.
if you ever chose to pay attention, you and the public will come to learn about the circumstances that led to this war at some point in the future. ever since vietnam and including iraq, these lessons from history has given us independently verifiable proof years after the conflict that the american government has lied to the public (and always will). history also teaches us that, that proof was always there since the beginning of all conflicts, but the public continually choses to ignore it because of the controlled narrative that people are unwittingly spoon-fed by the consent manufacturing machine that is our media.
if you chose to not pay attention, academics will study and students will learn of the warnings that came before & at the onset of ukraine conflict from people like ambassadors gfoeller, rundell, matlock or secretaries of defense mcnamara, gates, perry and from examples of propaganda from publications like the new york times. all of these are the examples from this article you've chosen to ignore in your steadfast adherence to a maga-like willful ignorance that has created this new fascist world that we're all forced it live within.
Not a whole lotta substance in all that text.
Implying libs want to pay attention and not just get pointed at whatever foreigner they're allowed to call inhuman filthy beasts this time around
The NYT isn't reliable anymore — they've been co-opted by the Intelligence apparatus. The NYT has been consistently wrong about this Ukraine situation from the start.
What I stated above is 100% factual if you care to check.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
These links don't support the thesis „ukraine is dominated by nazis", but rather there are issues with fascists, but on a small level.
@brucethemoose@lemmy.world Yeah it's too obvious to be the truth, right? /s
You know whataboutism is invoked when there isn't any intelligence response to the truth. The new NeoLiberal construct, to deflect the truth. You're a Nazi supporter. Unfortunately, we have many out west in Canada from the Ukrainian diaspora that came here during the Cold War. They had to be fervent anti-communists to be allowed in. Unfortunately for the rest of Canada, there are many Stepan Bandera monuments out west, wanna talk about that? Stepan Bandera was a Nazi, That's a fact.
I've always compared this invasion to a sexual assault, actually. Aggressors love to say "They were asking for it."
What a disgusting piece of rhetoric bankruptcy, as expected from liberals and gringos most of all.
You know what can be compared to sexual assault? The sexual assault regularly happening to Roma people and ethnic Russians in Ukraine at the hands of Azov and other right wing battalions and paramilitaries in Ukraine, as per the Donbas documentary.
There's also been allegations of rape and torture in Kursk, and why wouldn't there be? The CIA trained the Ukrainians in counter insurgency, which is their way of saying terrorism. If you wanna know what it'd look like if they hadn't defended themselves, look at the West Bank.
The sexual assault regularly happening to Roma people and ethnic Russians in Ukraine at the hands of Azov and other right wing battalions
That is also an issue and has to be addressed. Neonazis and rapists everywhere have to be imprisoned. But the invasion of russia is the wrong way to address this. A democracy and a fair and non corrupt judicial system are the way to go.
If you wanna know what it'd look like if they hadn't defended themselves, look at the West Bank.
Thats an argument in favor of defense.
Interesting that you don't /seem/ to be aware of the invaders' rapes and racism at all. There's rape and racism everywhere, literally every single where. But sure, tell me how rapes and racism show the inherent evil of Ukraine.. surely the kind of provocation that shows "They were asking for it." This is coming from a rape survivor, btw, can't shame me out of using it as a metaphor.
I’ve always compared geopolitics to pop psychology.
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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Maidan coup & fascist attacks on Eastern Ukraine:- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide