DeepSeek roundup: banned by governments, no guard rails, lied about its training costs
DeepSeek roundup: banned by governments, no guard rails, lied about its training costs
Of course DeepSeek lied about its training costs, as we had strongly suspected. SemiAnalysis has been following DeepSeek for the past several months. High Flyer, DeepSeek’s owner, was buying Nvidia…
Not that it should be a regular thing but it is fun to watch this post get swarmed by slopfan reply guys
it’s turning out the most successful thing about deepseek was whatever they did to trick the worst fossbro reply guys you’ve ever met into going to bat for them
I'm sorry but this says nothing about how they lied about the training cost - nor does their citation. Their argument boils down to "that number doesn't include R&D and capital expenditures" but why would that need to be included - the $6m figure was based on the hourly rental costs of the hardware, not the cost to build a data center from scratch with the intention of burning it to the ground when you were done training.
It's like telling someone they didn't actually make $200 driving Uber on the side on a Friday night because they spent $20,000 on their car, but ignoring the fact that they had to buy the car either way to get to their 6 figure day job
i think you're missing the point that "Deepseek was made for only $6M" has been the trending headline for the past while, with the specific point of comparison being the massive costs of developing ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini, et al.
to stretch your metaphor, it's like someone rolling up with their car, claiming it only costs $20 (unlike all the other cars that cost $20,000), when come to find out that number is just how much it costs to fill the gas tank up once
Now im imagining GPUs being traded like old cars.
slaps GPU This GPU? perfectly fine, second hand yes, but only used to train one model, by an old lady, will run the upcoming monster hunter wilds perfectly fine.
DeepSeek-V3 costs only 2.788M GPU hours for its full training. Assuming the rental price of the H800 GPU is $2 per GPU hour, our total training costs amount to only $5.576M. Note that the aforementioned costs include only the official training of DeepSeek-V3, excluding the costs associated with prior research and ablation experiments on architectures, algorithms, or data.
Emphasis mine. Deepseek was very upfront that this 6m was training only. No other company includes r&d and salaries when they report model training costs, because those aren't training costs
banned from use by government employees in Australia
So is every other AI except copilot built into Microsoft products. Government employees can't use chatgpt directly. So this point is a bit disingenuous.
They specificallly named this one, you don't have to make up reasons that somehow it doesn't count.
I'm sure the next AI will be the ethical, uncensored, environmentally sustainable one...
wait, 2021 was when crypto was still a thing vcs poured money into, so that might be yet another case of crypto to ai pivot
Is that the whale mini boss from Dive Man's stage in MegaMan 4?
sure is!
I'm still just impressed you can teach whales communism
Pretty standard for AI -except for the first part