7mo ago

President Trump issued a full and unconditional pardon to DC, police lieutenant Andrew Zabavsky and officer Terence Sutton for their roles in the death and cover-up of 20-year-old Mr Hylton-Brown

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Trump pardons DC officers convicted in death and cover up | CNN Politics

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“No, the opposite. In fact, I’m going to be letting two officers from Washington police DC, I believe they’re from DC, but I just approved it,” Trump said. “They were arrested, put in jail for five years, because they went after an illegal, and I guess something happened where something went wrong and they arrested the two officers and put them in jail for going after a criminal. A rough criminal, by the way. And I’m actually releasing… no I’m the friend, I am the friend of police more than any president who’s ever been in this office.”
Everyone is "an illegal" now if it's politically convenient.
- I guess something happened where something went wrong
  WTF, he doesn't even know the full details of these people and he just went ahead and pardoned them?
  What a clown.
  
  It is likely that the vast majority of what he is signing was someone else's idea. Maybe he agrees with it, maybe he is just doing it because he was complimented when it was handed to him, but it is extremely unlikely that he initiated more than a few of the things he has signed.
- Hylton-Brown is a US citizen, police say, and not in the country illegally as the president claims
- That sounds like "illegal" talk to me
- Yeah, but also despite being born with a penis, and making no attempt to ever change my gender, I’m now legally a female. And so are you if you’re an American.
- I thought that quote was you mocking him because if how much it sounds like a toddler...
He did it to win the police union back after pardoning January 6 criminals who threw bombs at police and hit them with metal bats.
- Give the people what they want 🥴
I think it's time Congress got off their ass and took away the power of presidential pardons. This is clearly not working as intended.
- What are the chances that you could buy a certain crypto coin and then serendipitously get pardoned for some crime or another.
  Hipotetically.
- But what will we do with Turkeys???
This is getting stupid .... why the hell does the US allow pardons in the first place? ... it's now just used as a political tool to hand out pardons for propaganda and promotion.
Justice and Law is slowly evaporating because it is all hinging on what ruler is power and whether or not they will pardon whoever is most convenient to pardon.
- back then women were seen as property
  Yeah I'm kind of thinking that opinion hasn't changed for some based on recent events
  Goes to window
  Points at American legislation in the last several years
  
  A lot of loopholes now used were because they knew it was an imperfect start and assumed that when problems were found or new laws needed the Constitution would be changed. In some cases we've done that, in many we haven't. I think one of the founders wanted to include mandatory revisions over a period, but again the general presumption was that we'd see the need and do it without being forced to.
They turned off their body cameras and mislead their supervisors about what happened.
Is that the new standard then?
Maybe a stupid question, but: How broad are the presidential pardon powers?
Could he pre-emptively pardon anyone who will kill person X?
Could he blanket-pardon all cops convicted of a crime while on duty?
Could he pardon himself for all crimes past, present and future?
- Extremely broad, for federal crimes. None of your examples have been tested yet.
  Expect them to be.
- remind me 2 years
  
  didn't Biden just preemptively pardon his family?
- seems like preemptive ones and reflexive ones havent been tested but we are probably about to find out what happens when the prez, congress, and judiciary are all politically aligned and wanna do evil.
If the people don't get justice from the government, we'll get it ourselves.
- Hi Luigi. My name is also Luigi. Are there any other Luigis in the room?

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