Extend this to climate change:
Bob is responsible for .00000015% of emissions.
Shell is responsible for 5%.
But 95% of marketing for a more climate-friendly lifestyles is aimed at Bob.
Or to put it another way, Bob will emit roughly 15 metric tons of CO2 in his lifetime.
Shell emitted roughly 50 million tons in 2023 alone.
But let’s tel Bob he needs to change his lifestyle.
While all true, if Bob drives a gigantic pickup, Bob can fuck right off too
I mean, yeah, I get the sentiment. But continuing to fight amongst ourselves and excluding potential intraclass members from the fight before we fight the ruling class is truly a self defeating tactic.
Look at the trump movement. There are so many potential comrades. His entire lie that got people on bird was “fighting the elite.” Too many people fell for that that could truly be on our side if we tried.
I dunno. I harbor those same feelings, so I’m not trying to high road you, but we were talking about class solidarity, I just feel like we need to extend that to the rest of the people in our class that we’ve been artificially pitted against and manipulated into fighting.
Focus your energy on the bigger threat
Reminds me of that old children’s book
Bob Rolls Coal, Coal Rolls Bob
All of that "climate friendly lifestyle" marketing at bob is done by oil and gas companies. Are you tired of hearing about your "carbon footprint"? Good, cause its bullshit propaganda made up by big oil and gas.
There was a huge campaign to shift the blame to consumers so that people would be too busy scrutinizing themselves to scrutinize the oil and gas industry. The sad part is that it fucking worked because people are dumb.
It's those plastic straws! Surely we'll save the planet, once Bob stops using those.
if we halve 6 and two third million Bobs carbon emissions per year it would do as much as getting rid of shell.
shell would probably rather kill 3.3 million Bobs per year than cease to exist.
both strategies have compelling arguments.
I’m def no math person, but wouldn’t it take like 70x-800x that? Because halving the yearly emissions of someone who emits 15 metric tons in their entire lifetime vs the company emitting 50 MILLION tons every single year?
It’s early and I’m typically very bad at math, so maybe I’m wrong
Right, but Shell spends that money and that stimulates the economy.
Bob sticks those food stamps in his investment account and sits on them until one of his execs gets caught doing something highly illegal and needs a $100mil early retirement package.
Selfish Bob.
Edit: /s in case it’s not obvious that I swapped the names “Bob” and “Shell”
And shell uses that 2 trillion to lower the price for consumers.
Bob gives all his money to the company execs.
Trillion? Lol, math.
lower the price for consumers
😂
some notes, the 2Bil may be misinformation, but I will instead ignore that and just use the subsidies to the oil industry.
We could give every single human living in the US (even babies) that $1500 and it would be 130b cheaper than oil subsidies according to forbes.
We could give every household in the US (127,482,865 according to US census) $5,100 for what we spend on oil subsidies yearly.
Please note those numbers are from 2015 so its likely much higher now, but a quick google didn't give me exact numbers for the US and I'm too lazy to go into that. (it would likely be closer to $7000 per household)
What About Bob? is a great movie BTW.
Baby steps
Also, Bob can’t use the restroom at Shell.
It would take 1.33 million bobs to equal the same cost that shell takes in. Each bob has a family of roughly 4 including bob, feeding 5.33 million people. The kids in the family are able to pay attention in school bc they are well fed and bob is able to hunt for a better job since he doesn't have two jobs to make sure his family doesn't starve.
Shell is definitely worth the expense, plus Exxon, and even non oil companies like spaceX/Tesla subsidies that are rarely generating value for the taxpayers who funded it.
Bobs family is not fed well on $1500/yr
<$200/mo groceries for a family of 4?
It's 1500 extra which can help make ends meet
Goober Nation has no problems with "socialism" when those government handouts benefit a billionaire.
Maybe when 80% of this nation is living in Trumpville tent cities, people will finally stop voting for, "Punch me in the dick repeatedly."
But... but... Bob might use some of that money to buy cigarettes!
Its 1.7 billion in tax exceptions. Given how much politicians love to argue tax deductions and negative tax rates are handouts to normal folks, I'll count those as handouts to oil companies.
Most of the data seems to be accurate but there are so many links in there that don't exist anymore (at least in the top reply).
But how many millions of people and countless ecosystems does Bob kill?!??
Shell is a British company, isn’t it? The British government subsidies them?
but they could pay thier workers and stimulate the economy, I mean that's why they get the money, it's called trickle down economics.
Do they do that, no.
Does it work...no.
(Sarcasm)
It went from bribery to "trickle down economics" and now I think they call it the cost of keeping business.
Guess which one Elon's "Department" of Government Efficiency wants to cut!
