Without firing a shot...
Without firing a shot...
Here's a pretty good debunking:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-we-will-bury-you-without-firing-a-shot.942/
Odd choice to go with a fake quote on the real date of Khrushchev's probably most famous line about "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!" which is referencing the communist manifesto
The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.
Arguably "from within" but not anything Khrushchev or obviously Putin does, it's capitalism being a self-destructive loop.
My apologies, Yogurt, and thanks for a well-earned kick in the head.
If only this guy warned us publicly in the 80s..... https://youtu.be/d9CJmvBXNTc?si=x9TxUXOc3ldIOpin
Quite worth the watch. Not too long.
Pogchamp gamer fascist propaganda
The announcement trailer for Cold War is built around footage from a television interview, in 1984, between Yuri Bezmenov, the K.G.B. defector, and G. Edward Griffin, the American conspiracy theorist and longtime member of the John Birch Society. In the interview, Bezmenov claims that the Soviet Union was working to subvert the United States by brainwashing American students into becoming Marxist-Leninists. Griffin, now eighty-nine, recently hosted the fifth installment of the annual rally known as the Red Pill Expo, which, the New York Daily News reported, “gathered hundreds of unmasked conspiracy believers, along with militia leaders, Trump backers, anti-vaxxers and religious crusaders.”
Bezemov lost it in the 80s and was working for the Unification Church and John Birch Society saying whatever they wanted, a few years after the interview he killed himself trying to get drunk on antifreeze.
"Schuman had deteriorated both physically and socially … excessive drinking noted … now separated … become transient … now works with lower level fringe groups of little consequence,” said a 1980 report from the RCMP Security Service, the precursor to CSIS.
This is a lot of MAGA like propaganda by a thoroughly disgraced crazy person talking to a conspiracy theorist who both ended up going batshit insane in the 80's.
This video should not be taken seriously. I watched it, and it's pretty much conspiracy laden ultra right wing nonsense.
Like, if Alex Jones was around in the 80's, this would be a clip from his show.
I tell myself Lemmy just doesn't follow links as long as the comment has a populist vibe, but there's still a lot more cryptofascism going around.
Too bad humanity isn't in the habit of listening to warnings.
So annoying, because things don't need to be shit.
This is misinformation and a fake quote. What he actually said on that day was:
About the capitalist states, it doesn't depend on you whether or not we exist. If you don't like us, don't accept our invitations, and don't invite us to come to see you. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
"We will bury you," was a poor translation. What he meant (which is pretty clear from context) was more like, "We will outlast you," or "We will be there at your funeral." He never said anything about "We will take down America without firing a shot" or "We will bury America from within" (how do you "bury someone from within," anyway?).
Khuschev's strategy towards the West was called, "peaceful coexistence," the concept being that it wasn't necessary to take active steps towards overthrowing Western governments, instead seeking to establish an ammenable working relationship, the belief being that the Soviet system would win out in time while the capitalist system would eventually decay and the proletariat of Western nations would eventually radicalize and rise up on their own. You can say that this wasn't their real belief or whatever, but it was a major contributing factor towards the Sino-Soviet split, and they were willing to stand by that line to the point of alienating other communist countries.
But regardless of whether you agree with that interpretation or not, this quote isn't just misinterpreting the quote, it's outright lying about what was said.