Manjaro is experimenting with **opt-out telemetry | Hacker News (More like op-out spying)

Friends don't let friends use Manjaro

Use EndeavourOS or another Arch derivative instead.

Or just plain arch. Installing it with archinstall isn't that hard
- And it's a one-time thing, then you just pacman - Syu into the sunset. Consider setting up btrfs with snapshots, which is a life saver when an update goes bad. I use snapper on openSUSE Tumbleweed and it has saved me from bad NVIDIA updates a couple of times, which is the main reason I switched from Arch a few years ago.

Oh, you can vote whether it should be opt-in or opt-out.
Oh, voting requires "Trust level 1".

Anyway, I may stop donating to Manjaro due to this. Now I just go with Arch anyway. archinstall even makes it quick to setup a VM.

Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.

I've found that some people use Linux just to be apart of the "cool tech kids" on the internet. They don't understand how to use a CLI, what kernel level access is, what a kernel is, or even how Linux actually works as opposed to Windows/Mac.

I think Manjaro was made for them. It's like the MLM version of a Linux distro.
- Are you trying to gatekeep Linux to only power users that use a CLI, are way above the average in computer literacy, and happen to know the nuances between Linux and other operating systems?
  
  This is the kind of thinking that will prevent adoption to the masses. Linux doesn't have to be stupid hard to use. There are specific distros like vanilla Arch for advanced users to tinker with and options like Manjaro and Ubuntu that are ideally functional out of the box for those that just want something to work.
  
  What Manjaro is doing here is dumb AF, and should rightfully be heavily criticized, but you statement feels like your saying you should have to be a computer expert to use any Linux distro, and that's dumb.
- This is a “cool tech kid” opinion. Linux is for EVERYONE. Let’s not gatekeep it. Having GUI tools and stuff that is so easy to use that tech-illiterate people can use Linux is a great thing.
- I've found that some people use Linux just to be apart of the "cool tech kids" on the internet. They don't understand how to use a CLI...
  
  I hope that's true. If Linux has come this far to make PC life possible for the cool kids, I say welcome to each and every one of them.
I had a forum account from long ago that I barely use and even I was able to vote ... so if you had an account there, give it a try and vote!
The only thing archinstall script misses for me is option for flatpak setup from the get go

Oh boy looks like my weekend will be spend learning and trying to install Arch without a graphical installer. To be fair Manjaro on my laptop was my first try at Arch. I never thought how much I will come to like AUR.

EndevaourOS is already on my gaming rig so plain Arch for my laptop seems like a good challenge. Farewell Manjaro, I learned a lot

the archinstall script is officially supported and very straightforward. like, almost Calamares-but-in-TUI straightforward.
Going to second other comments. Even without archinstall. It feels like it will be harder than it is. Umm, just save yourself a bit of time and configure the network and install a console editor (nano/vim whatever) while in the chroot (if going full manual). It was a minor pain to work around that for me.

There are pages discussing how to do everything (helps to have a laptop with browser, or a phone to look them up). At the end, you generally know exactly what you installed (OK no-one watches all the dependencies), and I've found any borks that happen easy to fix because I know what I installed.
It's not that hard, just read the install guides and instructions. My first Arch install was like 8y ago and I expected it to be difficult - it wasn't.
- Meanwhile my first Gentoo system... I was expecting to be not so bad.... Holy f I was wrong
After you figure out how to properly partition your disk, you learn how the entire setup is actually quite simple Basically, Mount partitions, pacstrap to install the base system, generate fstab, chroot in, create a unprivileged user and add it to sudo, setup grub, configure internet, exit chroot and unmount, reboot into the newly installed system, configure X11/Wayland to your liking
- Installing Arch is a lot easier than fixing a bad Manjaro update. I get that it's intimidating, but it's really quite easy if you can follow instructions, but budget a couple hours your first time because you'll probably second-guess everything. The second time should be more like 30 min.
I highly recommend BTRFS as your root filesystem, and then configure snapshots. This way if an update goes sideways (pretty rare), you can roll back and wait for fixes.

I haven't used Arch for a few years, but my openSUSE Tumbleweed install came with it by default, and it has saved me a few times in the 7 or so years I've used it. Maybe the new instructions include that, idk, but you'll be glad you have it.

Opt out telemetry is annoying. There's no guarantee it doesn't send before I've had a chance to disable.

If I were using Manjaro right now, at the first opportunity, I would be switching to something else. Too much enshitification happening everywhere, and people need to start voting with their "wallets" to stop these greedy fucks.

Finally time to update manjarno.snorlax.sh again -_-

I was just getting used to using Manjaro for my dev machines due to rolling release. Gotta find new flavor now.

Consider Endeavour.
- Yup saw it recommended in one of the comments as well, I'll look it up.
OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Reliable and up to date.
- Haven't touched suse ecosystem since they were suse. Now I just feel comfortable with Debian or arch.
Well Debian doesn't have a rolling distro, does it?

It was something that underpinned your choice and now it's not. I'm not sure why you said gotta find when you already knew the answer.
- Got into rolling release very recently with Manjaro (realized Debian doesn't have rolling release). Just started getting used to arch packaging. I wouldn't consider myself knowledgeable in rolling release options
- It kind of does, if you count testing / sid.

Because telemetry as implemented and spying are in fact very very different, and conflating the two is why "noone cares about privacy". When your giant conspiracy wall is "Manjaro knows a user in north America clicked on the start menu more often then typing into a quick search box" and you refer to that as spying, you hurt the actual cause you claim to support. Badly.

The same is true for Microsoft, ive been asking for years for any concrete proof of spying a normal human would care about and what I usually get is the Microsoft terms of use, a legal document that reflects reality less than the average legal document, and the average legal document is basically covering your eyes and hoping nobody sues you.

And because I think the correct way to dick swing in this community is as follows...I also use arch 🍆 (well endeavour, but I think I still get dick swinging credits)

Counterpoint; it's really none of their business to know how often I click on something, and neither do I want them to have the ability to figure that out either because there is no reason to assume that those are the only data points they can get their grubby hands on.

If there is no reasonable way for me to differentiate between spying and telemetry, I rather wish they couldn't do either.

Great...Right now, when I was thinking about finally installing Manjaro (I saw its for noobs, pretty well designed, i'm tired of "power users" distros). What else then? I used EOS, it was buggy sometimes errors etc., I use cachyOS and all the time errors and problems, but i just don't care anymore, Ubuntu is corporate's shit, maybe Mint or Fedora? Actually, I kinda liked flatpak recently, maybe I could live without AUR he? But on the other hand I need this rolling release cycle, thats why I hoped Manjaro is such "stable arch", I'm nvidia user...

EndeavorOS is what you want, fits the same niche but without being fucking Manjaro. :-)
- Well I tried, it was better than cachyOS now, but still it was not so for noobs, i had to fix many problems using it
What is your preferred desktop environment from below?

KDE Plasma 6

LXQt

COSMIC Alpha

Based on your choice I can recommend you a one.

Also do you prefer stability or getting the latest updates?
- KDE only, I would prefer stability (as I'm tired of things breaking up), but I need latest updates (thats why i liked flatpak, cuz it partially replaces need of AUR).
Could also check out openSUSE if you don't mind the lack of an AUR
- Yeah not really "don't mind", but hopefully I won't need it, thanks

Damn. I really liked manjaro

It’s like finding out your favorite YTber touches kids… feels bad man.

since a third of manjaro is coming form austria, i apologize ⅓ times for its existence