pls don't let all the liberal downvoting discourage you. posts like this are more than welcome here <3
If Harris were actually leftwing, she'd pull that lever instantly, burn NATO to the ground, crush Isn'treal and many other based things
but alas, she is just the "good" cop of the bourgeoisie
(which essentially just means slapping BLM, LGBT and "feminist" stickers onto the bombs she drops wherever Wall Street requires it)
i'm an anarchist, but i'm also polish, and we kinda need NATO right now, with the whole Russia thing at our doorstep. i know it's not ideal, but fuck, not many other options out there and i do enjoy not being forcibly drafted to war
your bourgeois state needs NATO, not the working ppl living in Poland
In an inter-imperialist war, shouldn't socialists from an outside country support neither side and shouldn't socialists from a country participating in said war employ revolutionary defeatism towards "their own" bourgeois state?
the answer to a regional imperialist power is not the largest imperialist block in the history of humanity(!)
after all, a socialist has no country and belongs to no nation. just like working ppl everywhere
EDIT: cmiw but isn't supporting one bourgeois state over another and thinking of it as "one's own" contrary to anarchist thought?
You’re not wrong.
thanks, much appreciated. It’s very stark contrast to the real life discussions where they are mostly furious at harris & dnc. most of the time we are infact discussing that sanders, aoc and warren should create a new party as dnc has become beyond repair. they can definitely crowdfund the support like in 2016.
unfortunately neither Sanders, AOC, nor Warren are real solutions and never will be the solution. They mostly pay lip service to progressive causes but then actually support atrocities like the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia (in Sanders' case).
their job seems to be to "capture" progressive support and then endorce the reactionary candidates they actually plan on pushing. And even if they were to come to power, the best case is a renewal of capitalism so that it may exist another year/decade/century
as the DNC has become beyond repair
that is the case with the whole of the USA, it's beyond repair and in dire need of abolition if humanity is to have a future. Bourgeois "democracy" is inherently designed to halt real progress and to preserve the private (not personal!) property of the rich and the economic system that makes it possible in the first place (capitalism).
One viable future would be a socialist council democracy as one of the few true solutions
I don't think I am understanding this right. I thought liberals would be generally against big evil companies doing big evil stuff and big evil rich people doing the same.
Am I wrong in this?
Liberals don't rly care about that systemically or rather they only end up paying lip service to those issues instead of wanting to tackle the problems at it's root (and that is ripping out the system that is capitalism)
The left wing is against big private companies. Liberals are all about capitalism and the free market. These two ideology often get mistaken for each other, even though they actually oppose each other.
It’s not a trolley problem if you aren’t given a choice to pull the lever. There is no viable candidate who fights against super pacs.
and there never will be if we keep voting for them if on face of genocide and current inflation.
they compromised bernie in 2016 then blocked warren as vp in 2020. bernie actually showed its more than viable to have a candidate not beholden to superpacs. there has to be a minimum qualification for an acceptable policy and current sham is way below it.
If you are an American and not a Harris votes, what do you expect will happen to political power in the next year?
Are peacefully voting against a dictator, general strikes and forcefully guillotining the bourgeoisie all mutually exclusive?
sigh, it’s not about trump. its about dnc wanting to get a free pass on genocide, inflation and they seem to be getting away with it. everyone wanting them to compromise on humanitarian crisis in gaza has been labelled tankie, russian troll.
candidates usually over-promise and underdeliver. and here we are being given shit so what do you think will happen when harris gets elected and says america has voted for the genocide, fracking, wall and more corporate greed ?
we should just bend over now when we have the leverage ?
What leverage?
"The leverage" to do what exactly? Put in someone who will be way worse? How does that help the left accrue power or accomplish our goals? If you think the Democratic Party's takeaway from the left tanking a major election will be "we need to move left more" I have a bridge to sell you. We are not a majority, which means we need to form coalitions. We can't do that with a reputation of blowing up everyone's shit when we don't get our way. We do it by showing how successful the party is when they listen to us and include us. No, this time we don't have a particularly left candidate to vote for. Yes, it all sucks. But I have yet to see a concrete explanation of how picking or allowing "far right fascist" over "moderate" has any benefit in the short or long term. To my eyes, it just causes vulnerable people here and around the world to suffer.
You're not wrong, but it was a difficult vote because all she lobbies for is "The Middle Class". Like I don't give a rat's balloon knot about the middle class. What about people who are stuck in a lower tax bracket trying to get a house? What about those same people trying to get enough money to save so their children can be in a higher tax bracket. Dem reps are throwing "Middle Class" around like they're an unrepresented minority, and haven't said anything about lower Class people that are having to live paycheck to paycheck because of inflation and shit peasant pay.
I propose that once Kamala officially assumes the position and we can ignore demented Hitler again we do our best to yeet her straight back out the Whitehouse.
We have to start getting actually mad, but in such a way where we keep thinking clearly and do not expose ourselves to emotional manipulation.
What political power?
no one ever said anything about boycotting the vote. If you think trying to curb unconditional support for genocide equals Trump, that's on you. Ofc one should vote blue in a swing state, but don't act like it's a good thing that'll fix anything. Strategic and conscious voting may be necessary but is by far nor enough political action
One of those things on the bottom path is not like the others.
