11mo ago

We, Israelis, are calling for global pressure on Israel to force an immediate ceasefire | Open letter

www.theguardian.com

And the number of signatures has gone up

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11mo ago

We, Israelis, are calling for global pressure on Israel to force an immediate ceasefire | Open letter

www.theguardian.com /commentisfree/2024/oct/24/israel-immediate-ceasefire-open-letter

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I know all the not-stupids already know it but it bears repeating:
When we say Israel is a shitty genocide committer, we mean the Israeli government--Netanyahu and all his cunty supporters. Not all the normal people who live there who hate the shit as much as anyone else.
- It is important to note that the government had majority approval. The settlers annexing the Westbank was continuud by every single government of the past 30 years, even the "progressive" ones. The relentless attacks on Gaza had and have majority approval in polls.
  Removing Netanyahu is a first step, but Israeli society seriously needs to work through a lot of things for its "normal" to become in accordance with international law and basic principles of ethics and moral.
  
  49.5% of the voters voted for the current government.
  Which "progressive" government did Israel have in the last 30 years?
  Barak and especially Rabin's government stopped the settlements.
  Olmert had the "realignment plan", which was shelved due to the 2nd Lebanon war.
- This applies to every State vs the people who happen to live in the so-called borders claimed by that State
If only more people in Israel believed this and spoke up the way these people do.
- Unless they’re laying down in front of military vehicles and physically defending against settler violence their words don’t mean much.
  
  There is some who do. Many of them probably signed this lettet. They get violently beaten up. Of course when IDF soldiers beat up visibly practicing Jews thia does not spark outrage over antisemitism in the West. Because Jews being beaten up for their religious convictions is only antisemitism if the attackers are brown.
I hope this is the start of many more such voices.
- The Israeli left has been advocating for peace for the last 57 years and losing ground because of it so don't hold your breath.
- I hope so too.
  With a strong enough swell of support from Israelis, the need to work with Netanyahu to maintain our reputation of standing by our allies and maintaining some leverage over the Israeli government would evaporate. It'd create room for a strong pivot that would still allow us to plausibly threaten Netanyahu with consequences, maintaining his inability to finish his ethnic cleansing goals.
  Needs a lot of people though, enough to give some plausible cover to what could otherwise be perceived as a betrayal of an established alliance. We could say we're still standing with the Israelis, though, look, here's their signatures. The rest of them are clearly traumatized and not in their right senses.
  I don't think we'd need a majority of their population to sign or anything, but a lot for sure.
F Israel! Their mask of being a democracy is now off and they are worse then some of the mustache man.
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