Genital mutilation should be illegal
Genital mutilation should be illegal
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If my son wants to be cut
Why the hell would he want to? If there's no medical reason, there's no reason at all.
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At that point, he would be an adult making a decision. It doesn't matter why for us in regards to his choice. Maybe he becomes religious or succumbs to social pressure. He could get a Prince Albert, too, or those weird beads.
As a parent it's their job to protect him from harmful societal norms and religious indoctrination until he becomes an adult. Hopefully the education sticks long enough for him to deeply understand and respect his body, to seek out more helpful mentorship when needed, and pass along that education and protection to his future potential children.
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Tell that to the chick who turned herself into Barbie or those twins that did... whatever it was to themselves and thought it looked anything but horrifying.
Yes, I'm straight up saying they're objectively ugly af. Don't even care if that's some kind of discrimination. They're just dumb, they made a stupid mistake, and I don't even think they've admitted it to themselves yet.
They had every right to do it though. It was just a bad idea in every single humanly possible way.
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I'm from muslim family but atheist and have nothing against it. Like, it is just operation that become too popular at some point. Or was forced on people to prevent an epidemy of some sort. It is still recommended across many surgeons at least as far as i know. It is just easier to recover from when you are younger. Similar to recovering from smallpox.
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It’s interesting how many apparently religious people feel the need to hang out in an atheist community.
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The amount of concern trolling that happens in here is astonishing... And frankly the amount of anti trans, anti gay replies and up votes in the replies here is concerning.
People like to concern troll about how their specific religion gets targeted while simultaneously bashing on the gays. It's infuriating. We need much more stringent/frequent bans. Reddits r/atheism was like this too before they actively started banning people for it.
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There was an entire subreddit dedicated to the sheer amount of concern trolling, JAQing off, and other crap that r/atheism had to endure. It was r/ShitAtheismTakes and was set up by one of the moderators, iirc. I don't believe this community is safe from those same trolls, and more moderation will be needed to keep them at bay. Religious folk attack in droves.
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It should, but it won't because every time someone tries to outlaw circumcision Jews will kvetch about it and call them a nazi
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Damn. I’m not even an atheist and I agree with OP. Your take is just antisemitic.
We should take this a step further though. Any kind of genital mutilation should be illegal, including bottom surgery.
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It's not my take on it, it actually happened in Germany where both Muslims and Jews cried out that depriving them of their right to snip baby dicks is nazi persecution
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You mean illegal without consent right?
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Damn I should tell my surgeon he mutilated me. And my other surgeon, who took out my tonsils, also mutilated me. My dental surgeon, the wisdom teeth removal - believe it or not, also mutilation. Don't even get me started on my dad's heart surgeon, that butcher.
Moron.
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Why does any kind of bottom surgery have to be illegal? Why not just limit it to consenting people above the age of majority?
Grouping bottom surgery with genital mutilation makes you sound like an alt-right troll, and it bugs me that this is well received on this website.
Edit: "I'm not even an atheist" means absolutely nothing. You're just teaming up with an atheist in an online argument to bash Jews.
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Bottom surgery should only be illegal if it's done nonconsensually. Adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't pose a significant risk to their health.
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My only issue with this is that it is specifically directed at jewish people. This is common practice in america regardless of whether you're jewish or not. For example I'm circumcised and my parents have never been jewish. Otherwise yes, stop circumcising your kids.
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Yes, but this is pointed at Judaism because of the whole 'mouth on penis' bit, hence the straw.
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But it was normalized through Judaism and Christianity.
Also criticizing Jewish people is no different than criticizing religion as a whole which this sub generally does.
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Sort of. It is a religious practice in Judaism, and was normalized in the USA by the Kellogg wellness horseshit as a cure for masturbation, and has almost nothing to do with Christianity. He was ostensibly a Seventh Day Adventist, but his actual beliefs and practices didn't really resemble any organized religion at the time.
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Interesting comments and opinions. I know that coming from a non-religious family, I was circumcised after birth because the doctors stated that it was better for hygiene. However, I got an infection (from the surgery) and spent 3 extra weeks in the hospital, nearly dying.
Thankfully, my following siblings were not put in that situation (and I had no long-term issues). And although I do believe that it is better for hygiene, it also takes the majority of nerves out.
Today, I believe that it should be an optional surgery or when medically required. In today's world, it is largely unnecessary.
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It's not better for hygiene if you just wash your dick when you shower.
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Yes! Humans literally evolved to have a foreskin so it has to provide an advantage beyond any added risks, even under pre-historic hygiene conditions.
If it truly posed a health risk then that would immediately impact an individual's ability to reproduce and it would have shrunk and disappeared over thousands of years of breeding.
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Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution vs one dude a couple thousand years ago who really wanted a piece of that baby's dick
Idunno man, I gotta side with the millenia old shaman, he assures me that God wants my son's dick hacked up
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It's not that it doesn't have any benefits, but also doesn't offset the downsides but seems easier to keep proper hygene as I've heard horrible stories like guys who were never taught proper hygene.
- a 10 times lower risk of a baby getting a urinary tract infection (UTI) in his first year of life (1/1000 odds)
- no risk of infants and children getting infections under the foreskin
- easier genital hygiene
- much lower risk of getting cancer of the penis (1/10,000+)
- a possibly lower risk of men getting sexually transmissible infections (STIs) than men who are not circumcised (although these studies have not been scientifically confirmed and safe sex practices are far more effective in preventing these infections).
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/circumcision
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And what happens if you are, as a random example, a desert tribe with scarce resources?
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Being against genital mutilation is somehow antisemitism now?
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I’m continually surprised at the list of things that are “antisemitic” now.
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It doesn't matter if people who believe in fake shit think it is an important part of their religion, it's genital mutilation and it's done to babies who do not consent.
It's barbaric, disgusting and should be illegal.
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This just in, all abrahamic religions are actually pretty bad, even the one that gets unfair hate
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Whether you personally like it that way is irrelevant. It's cosmetic surgery performed on people who cannot consent. You should oppose it for that reason alone.
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People aren't against the option for adults to choose to get circumcised.
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Man idunno, I don't have a problem with my dick (small as it may be), but it kinda bothers me that some doctor cut a piece of it off when I was a baby.
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How do you know you're happy with it compared to not being circumcised?
Wouldn't it be amazing if the head of your dick had some sensitivity?
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I'm circumcised and I have plenty of sensitivity in the head of my dick. How would someone who isn't circumcised know how much or how little sensitivity a circumcised dick has? And if uncut dudes are even more sensitive than cut, do you all have problems with premature ejaculation? I can't imagine being any more sensitive. I'd be creaming just from wearing underwear and moving my body.
I'm not pro circumcision or anything, I've just always felt that the sensitivity thing is such a stupid, weak argument because in my experience of both being circumcised and also being pansexual and spending plenty of time around other dicks both cut and uncut, it's bullshit.
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that map has to be wrong. it's rare in Australia, it was deemed unnecessary and cruel in the 70s. only people over 50 have it here unless they suffer from certain religious affliction.
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My weewee is sliced, I don't mind.
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Same. A lot of people throwing stones in here. Instead of being sympathetic for people who didnt have a choice in the matter they just are harsh and judgmental about it. I dont think they realize how it makes people who are circumcised feel. Whenever I read people making fun of it or throwing some harsh words about it, I do feel kind of shitty because it obviously wasnt my choice and I dont defend it. But they treat everyone who is circumcised instantly with judgment like we did this to ourselves and will defend the concept of it.
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Instead of being sympathetic for people who didnt have a choice in the matter they just are harsh and judgmental about it.
Absolutely no reasonable person is blaming babies who didn't have a choice.
But they treat everyone who is circumcised instantly with judgment
Not at all. We're judging the parents of everyone who is circumcised.
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Instead of being sympathetic for people who didnt have a choice in the matter they just are harsh and judgmental about it
No one is blaming the babies that have been mutilated. If you had (part of) your penis chopped off against your will, no one is holding it against you. I'm sorry your parents were brainwashed into mutilating you. No one blames you. Don't subject your sons to it and no one here has a problem with you.
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??? Where's the judgement at? All I see is commiseration.
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casually sips their water while they read the comments unfold over a weewee meme I love the internet.
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We’re truly Reddit now. This always causes a comment filled thread lol
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I smell a “what you should and shouldnt be allowed to have your kids have operated on” debate
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Female genital mutilation (FGM), is illegal because it causes numerous health complications, including death, with no benefits whatsoever.
I think that male circumcision is a choice adults should make for themselves. It's not something that should be forced on kids or babies.
I'm not convinced I want law enforcement to police parents, who want male circumcision performed on their children, when the risks, benefits, and costs are all minimal if performed by a doctor. If a parent really wants to get the procedure performed on their child, then it's better for the child that they have access to a doctor.
What's being referenced in the meme is know as Metzitzah B’peh (Direct Oral Suctioning).
This comes with obvious health risks
Having a circumcision done in this manner negates any of the minimal benefits of getting a circumcision done. The only reason to have it done this way is to fulfill a religious rite of passage and since this method can harm the child I don't see why it should be allowed.
Maybe we could properly fund our public schools and ensure people can get informed about this topic in Sex Ed, so they're less likely to want this done to their children.
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No comment on gential mutilation, but that picture just put the uncomfortable phase of "meat straw" into my head. Thank you for that gift.
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My most genuine wish would be to see the people caring about mutilation, consent and bodily autonomy to take a look at what we do to non-humans in animal agriculture, apply their convictions consistently and go vegan.
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Brought to you by the same folks who introduced you to: considering a woman's rape to NOT be a violent crime against the woman, but instead a property crime against her husband/father.
Antiquated bullshit doesn't belong in this world. If you disagree, go walk across a desert or something.
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Im not expert but this one doesnt look healthy and its leaking
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Ok, so ignoring the meme. What is that? I mean, it's clearly a hotdog but what is going on here?
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Looks to me like a hotdog used as a straw
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The title aside. I thought the meme was joking about the crazy ass "mohalim" ritual aka rabbis sucking off babies. And so I find the meme alone a success.
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I agree it should not be done unnecessarily. I've hooked up with plenty of men in my lifetime and have seen some grotesque circumcisions.
The worst botched ones I've seen are when the skin bridges to the head or when the circumcision was done too tight (and causes issues when erect). More commonly, I've seen some pretty gnarly scar tissue along the shaft, but that seems to be less problematic. I am curious if folks with botched circumcisions are still supportive of it, since it's so ingrained in their culture.
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Oh shit! I've been wondering all my life why my shaft has that scar going down it. My shit got straight up vandalized on top of mutilated. The fuck..
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I feel that. I had my foreskin removed due to medical reasons when I was a child. Could not imagine doing that to my child without reason
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To the ~33% people who have downvoted this: you're literally arguing against a person's right not to have their body receive unnecessary surgical manipulations until they're old enough to actually consent to it. Babies are not their parents' property. Let people decide when they're adults.
Unfortunately a lot of Americans believe children are the property of their parents. We need a children's bill of rights.
The UN already has that, the convention on the rights of a child. Every UN country except the United States has signed.
Children don't pay taxes and cannot vote so good lol with that :-/
A history of being discriminated against doesn't excuse awful customs
Referencing the fact that the vast majority of AMAB Jewish babies get circumcised is racist?
Unless you got yours done by a rabbi using his teeth, your opinion doesn't matter on this topic.
And I'm sorry, but a parent's religion shouldn't be more important than the child's right to choose if they have their whole dick.
How is it racist to protest against genital mutilation?
Do you think that anyone born with a cleft palate, cleft lip, hemangiomas, craniosynostosis, facial palsy, or any corrective jaw surgeries should be told to wait until 18 when all of these procedures are far less effective and far more difficult to do?
Being born with a foreskin isn't a damn defect!
None of those are comparable to genital mutilation based on physical appearance. All those other things directly impact a person's quality of life.
Fair enough, there are quite a bunch of other cases where it might be justified to accept an imperfect form of consent. Still, it might be argued that some of those are necessary surgeries.
The key words there are unnecessary surgical interventions. Yeah, if your child's appendix bursts you can have it removed. Having a foreskin is not a medical problem.
Yah this should be true for any action except stuff like important medical surgery due to complications and surgery for facial defects BUT IRREVERSIBLE FORESKIN REMOVAL WITHOUGHT MEDICAL REASONS IS MORALLY WRONG