Ukraine’s Kursk offensive is a huge strategic error
Ukraine’s Kursk offensive is a huge strategic error
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looks like western sponsors of the war might have had enough of Zelensky
It is time for sober reflection. The Ukrainian people deserve leadership focused on practical, achievable objectives, not on grandstanding gestures. While courage and defiance are admirable, they must be tempered with strategic wisdom. The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.
The path to victory lies not in symbolic acts of defiance, but in the methodical, relentless pursuit of territorial liberation.
That's just stupid. Are they really suggesting Ukraine should focus solely on grinding through fortified Russian defenses? War is more complicated than "just liberate the occupied territory". And while it's true that this counteroffensive has its risks. Everything they do or don't do has its risks.
I think they are just meant Ukraine should stick to the original strategy of prolonging the war no matter what. It's lost either way, but costly losses will finish it faster than daily grind as usual.
I'm not sure how to understand your comment. Currently neither side is winning or loosing. Which is why neither side is willing to give up. The west needs to decide if they want to keep it that way, or give Ukraine enough support so they can finish the job "fast".
What is Ukraine's path to victory?
Ukraine needs a steady supply of modern weapons and the freedom to use them on Russian territory. That way they can continue dismantling the Russian military and minimize casualties. The Russians are pulling a lot of equipment from storage and are refurbishing it. But those storages won't last forever. Also, Russia may have a large population (so does Ukraine), but pretty much everybody willing to fight is already fighting. Also economic hardships are only going to increase. In other words, political instability in Russia is increasing and with it Putin's ability to mobilize troops. Don't forget, Putin can pull out at any time without loosing his power. For Ukraine it's about survival.
It seems for every issue in Russia you pose, Ukraine is faring worse-off. Ukraine is grabbing people off the streets, the majority of die-hard loyalists signed up when the war started.
I don't see how Ukraine wins by "using modern weapons on Russian Territory."
Yes, Ukraine faces a lot of the same problems. That's why it needs international help. The difference is that even if Ukranians don't want to fight. At least they have a good reason to.
I'm not saying that victory will be easy. All I'm saying is that it's very much possible.
I just don't see a possible victory for Ukraine, at all. Maybe in the past, but at this point it seems like Ukraine should be focused on making their terms of surrender as beneficial to themselves as possible. I don't see Kursk changing that calculus.
Surrender is out of the question for Ukraine. Russia has shown from the first day of the invasion on, that this war is as much a land grab, as it is a punishment for not being Russian enough.
Russia has been grinding for years now with only miniscule wins, while Ukraine has made some very successful counter offensives. Ukraine simply has the better army. Whether they can win back their territory depends on international support. But even if that fades, I don't see a scenario in which they just give up. And Russia will only give them an acceptable peace deal if Putin fears for his power or has been removed. This is in part why they launched the Kursk offensive. They need to pressure Putin or continue grinding.
Also: Holding Russian land is maybe the best bargaining chip they have for future negotiations.
Surrender is out of the question for Ukraine. Russia has shown from the first day of the invasion on, that this war is as much a land grab, as it is a punishment for not being Russian enough.
What? From day 1, Russia has made it clear that it wants to grab the contested territories, and demilitarize Ukraine as a consequence of unimpeded NATO expansion. NATO has ignored Russia's demands and pressed further.
Russia has been grinding for years now with only miniscule wins, while Ukraine has made some very successful counter offensives.
Slow and steady wins are wins. Ukraine hasn't managed to turn the tide.
Ukraine simply has the better army.
With respect to what?
Whether they can win back their territory depends on international support. But even if that fades, I don't see a scenario in which they just give up.
You're saying Ukraine will fight to their last breath? The war is becoming increasingly unpopular as time goes on, do you expect this trend to reverse at some point?
And Russia will only give them an acceptable peace deal if Putin fears for his power or has been removed. This is in part why they launched the Kursk offensive. They need to pressure Putin or continue grinding.
Acceptable to who? You? Wouldn't any agreed upon peace-deal be acceptable?
Also: Holding Russian land is maybe the best bargaining chip they have for future negotiations.
Can they hold it? It seems Kursk is taking away from Ukraine's ability to hold onto key territory.
I do! I’m very excited to see Ukraine continue to push, hopefully all the way to Moscow! Great job guys.
translation: a bloodthirsty psychopath is very excited to see other people die for their entertainment, so many sick fucks on this site
What would pushing all the way to Moscow do? Cost more lives? Do you even think it's remotely possible in the first place? Why?
I wish I had Russia’s economic hardships https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399
I'm sorry but Russia is 100% winning and has been for quite a while now
This is not a counter offensive, it's a political stunt for the benefit of the smooth brained western public.