It was confusing at first
It was confusing at first
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It gets more confusing when the instance you joined decides to unfederate and half of your subs stop working! Then you have to join a new instance and start over because subs nor usernames carry over.
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Do you have a grasp of the fediverse now?
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It sounds like you know enough to use the site properly :)
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Heh, yup
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It was confusing at first
The confusion never went away. Beehaw defederated, so I understand that you would then have to create a specific Beehaw account in order to engage with Beehaw communities, but why would I want to as a Lemmy.world user, is what I'm confused about.
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That's not the most convenient though. You could have an account on any instance that's not lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and you'd be able to access both beehaw and Lemmyworld/shitjustworks
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I got my account on lemm.ee and was wondering how the defederation affected me, good to know, thanks.
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why not lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works?
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I have like three now, because it wasn't clear that that wasn't required. I think I'm getting it more now, but it's taking a bit to get there.
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As of now I have an account on lemmy.world and kbin.social
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Same. LW/kbin gang.
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Same to be honest lol, it's been a bit to get used to
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Nope, still confusing
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I have no idea whats going on
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It happens to the best of us
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And this is why you roll your own instance just for auth
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At this point I'm considering it. I wonder how much it costs.
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I did it, but my buddy has a server with extra resources that he doesn't care if I use and I already owned domains.
Say $20/yr for domain, Lemmy needs around 150MB of RAM and almost no CPU. You could easily do that for $5/mo. Slice up the domain renewal, call it $8.
So far, there are upsides and downsides.
The upsides, I can federate with anyone I want and it's unlikely that they'll defederate with me because I'm one guy, and maybe a handful of friends if they want accounts. Two, I wanted something I could use as a blog anyway, so I made a mod only community on my instance where I can blog. I don't care if people read it or not, it just seemed fun.
Downside, finding communities is relatively more laborious. I have to go to other instances and look at their communities, or all feeds, to find things to subscribe to at home. Which means for each one, I need to copy the link or name, go to my instance's search, then go to the communities tab and subscribe. On a big instance, someone probably already searched for a lot of communities at least once, which is enough to index it. But on your own, you gotta do it yourself and it can get a little tedious.
Overall, I'm liking running my own though, so I plan to keep doing that.
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I'm using a $6 a month digital ocean droplet. Should be plenty of juice for me and my friends.
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i need a tutorial
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Reminds me of the good old days creating a different identity for each forum I signed up at.
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When John Fed wants you off his verse, you are gone
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You actually better off running your own instance that way you don't have to worry about getting delisted but that's not exactly easy.
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I hope this place gets better with time.
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I will stick to only one account. Too much accounts are pain.
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So, I’ve a question. Is there a back button?
I’ll select something from my feed, but then get stuck having to then go all the way back and scroll all the way back down to where I left off.-
I just open in new tab, or the little two squares next to the comment button, that will enlarge the picture.
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If you are on the phone try using the apps. I am on Jerboa on Android I don't have this issue.
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I've just been opening links in new tabs for this reason.
So many tabs... 🥲
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Let me know if you figure it out because it's driving me nuts
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Lol. I can barely figure out one.
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New here, does it mean my username propagated to other instances?
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Yes, but you have to manually set up and switch instances; basically having multiple accounts for no reason other than having access to other servers.
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And where is that bot that signs me up for all servers so I can save my name lol.
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Lmao I did this, but for Mastodon. Mastodon kinda helped me to understand the concept a better
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If you have an account at one instance, you can see everything from all of the instances that are federated with that instance. If there is another instance that is not federated with the 1st instance, then you have to make an account there to see anything there
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But currently there is no redirect to preferred instance type of settings available which in quite uncomfortable to me.
For example, I created an account on lemmy.world instance and click an url like https://lemmy.world/c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml, it redirects to lemmy.ml instead of lemmy.world instance.
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I've experienced that several times, especially since, on desktop, I like to middle-click and open any link in a new tab. Then I have to copy that URL and paste it into the signed-in instance to subscribe or upvote
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It started to click in my head today and then once all the defederation talk started I am confused again
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It basically means that beehaw can't see any of our content, and we can't see any new content from them. The one nice thing is their mods did say they might reverse it in the future once things settle down hopefully.
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I was like oh what the eeeffff is this noooow!?!?
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I have 2 with the idea that if my home instance went down I’d still be able to see what’s going on. Not that I’m concerned about a mass failure, more for like server maintenance downtimes.
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I have no idea what’s going on myself honestly lol. I just made a Kbin account so I can see and comment on this thread even though it’s a thread that came from lemmy it looks like considering it states (lemmy.world). I’m confused why I’m seeing this thread. Was it shared to the Kbin server? And why can’t I comment and upvote posts on lemmy.one for example? Shouldn’t I be able to due to everything being connected in the fediverse?
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You're not the only one. I made a kbin account. I'm not going to make more accounts. I'll just browse and lurk until this all makes sense.
Or I'll just give up and head over to the Empornium forums. There's titties over there. Is there porn on here?
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The problem with porn is that these instances are hosted by individuals who don't want the risk or headache of having questionable content on their server that they may have to answer for when something illegal invariably pops up.
That said, lemmynsfw.com does exist and you can subscribe to content over there. My guess is more will happen over time.
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Right there with ya.
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You may need to shift your expectations of the federation model. It's not trying to solve the problem of needing separate accounts on separate sites (that's what we need portable identities for and I hope we see that in the near future). It's trying to solve the problem of enabling self-governing communities and preventing platform lock-in.
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Kbin is federated with a bunch of the lemmy servers as well. If you look at the address of the post it's kbin/m(agazine)/lemmyworld@lemmy.world, so we're seeing a post from the LemmyWorld community (called magazines on kbin) on the lemmy server https://lemmy.world/
I promise it makes sense after a while lol
edit: the users of lemmy can also see what we say over here on kbin because kbin and lemmy talk to each other. This post lives on that lemmy instance
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I dont get it either, Ive been browsing different instances(? and when I find some community I like I search it up in kbin (which Im trying to make my main account I guess) by copying that little bit that comes up that says "copy and paste in your node's search bar", If I cant join from kbin I make a new account and join from there.
Its whatever, Ill figure it out eventually.
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I still don't get it lmao
I made an account with kbin because the interface most resembles reddit, but apparently that means I have a lemmy account or something?
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It might help to think of it like email. If you sign up with gmail, you have a gmail account. You don't necessarily have a microsoft account but people @outlook.com can still send your @gmail.com account email and you can still read it no matter where it's from
In a similar way, you have a kbin.social account. You don't have a lemmy account but you can still see posts from people in lemmy.world
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That makes it so much more clear. Cheers !
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- you can still see posts from people in lemmy.world
So if I go to kbin.social homepage, I am in fact seeing posts to any number of sites? Or is the notionof a site not accurate? I'm still kinda confused. Despite my age I'm a fucking luddite lol
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But I can’t reply to a Lemmy post from kbin, right?
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You don't have a lemmy account, but kbin gets content from lemmy pushed to it. So you can subscribe to subs that are on Lemmy. That doesn't mean you can't sub to the kbin equivalent; in due time, both may have a memes sub. But if you prefer lemmy over the kbin, you can see and interact with that lemmy content from here on kbin. You don't need to be on Lemmy to do it, the instances are federated.
Likewise, say in the future a sports-only instance is created. It exists solely for sports headlines across all the leagues of the world. It is way better than content on kbin. If kbin federates with that group, you can see and interact with that content.
Say there is a group that doesn't meet your instances ideals. They like to be inflammatory and provocative because they can. Your instance can not federate with them, so you won't see that content when viewing the All section of your instance. Likewise, they won't be able to interact with content you post. This prevents brigading and intermingling of groups that would only argue and conflict.
You can enjoy all the content of any federated instance from whatever platform you want.
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Sir this is lemmy
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Personally. Attacked.
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I made an account on feddit.de and I'm not even German (learning to be, though)
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@Lemmyin Takes about 1 day and then you are a pro. I have a mastodon account and lemmy account. and i'm satisified. just downloaded ivory for my iphone for mastodon
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Yeah. One day.
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Yeah, it took me some time to wrap my head around this when I started getting into Mastodon. Thankfully it became intuitive pretty quick.
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Lol my first account was on Lemmy.film O.o
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¿Confuso? No... más bien un mini reto descubrir nuevas posibilidades exponenciales. Simple.
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Translation using ChatGPT: Confused? No...rather, it's a mini challenge to discover new exponential possibilities. Simple.
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Hilarious
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mmm... pretty relatable....
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This is so true
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Will one account work on all the instances?
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Do any of you guys and gals know how to best check with which instances my account instance federates? I see https://lemmymap.feddit.de/ but omg I am not able to run this page on my PC :D
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Wait, what? Beehaw is defederated? I still see lots of post from Beehaw on my feed.
The mods announced it today. There’s a giant pinned thread on Beehaw about it.
I tried making posts here on my Beehaw account and I could see them while logged into Beehaw but not when logged into Lemmy.world. Some of my older posts were no longer visible outside of my Beehaw account. Also some of my posts had comments from Beehaw people vanish all at once. My older posts from the Beehaw account are still visible, so I think some posts/comments remain visible if they happened before defederation.
I’m not sure which levers the mods there are pulling because the effects do seem inconsistent, and the mods seem in a bit of a frenzy trying to figure it out themselves.
Federation is a two-way connection. Beehaw shut off the incoming stream, essentially, so anyone commenting or posting on spaces from that instance will not be seen by users logged into Beehaw. However, the outgoing stream is still active so anything posted there that you subscribe to or visit from another instance can still be seen. Users on other instances can even comment in those threads, but users on Beehaw would not see those comments.
For me it helps to think of the instance you are logged into as the place you trust the most. Content from other sources can always come in, but you can choose to simply not see things you don't want. This is a fundamental part of how the Fediverse works, for better or worse.
There is a post explaining the details here: https://lemmy.world/post/149743
You will see posts but you won't be able to interact with any one outside of lemmy.world users. They can't keep up with the number of users and have defederated from a huge number of instances.
I believe beehaw only degenerated from lemmy. If you’re on kbin you can still see both.
Exactly. Am no longer using my lemmy.world account. I made a kbin one first, before I realised that Jerboa didn't support it. So now I have three accounts.
Boom. I just installed jerboa a few minutes ago and am replying to you with it now.
I do like how it kinda/sorta looks like how I had Boost setup before.
If you want to see or interact with Kbin using Jerboa, you should be able to do that via your lemmy.world account as long as you have the same subscriptions set up in both instances.
Instructions were unclear I have like 5 new accounts and I'm forgetting where lol.
If you had created an account on a provider that wasn't lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works you'd had access to everything but with just one account.
Even if you disagree with beehaw, it's not a bad idea since it spreads the load of users across instances.
I moved over here because it was quick, and I’m fast losing interest in Beehaw given the current trajectory.
Not quite any other instance, quite a few that they have blocked in total, you can see the full list towards the bottom of https://beehaw.org/instances
Same, moved to kbin.
Yooo kbin user!
I hedged my bets and created accounts on both Lemmy.world and kbin.social just in case one of them crashed completely or defederated from something I followed. I find the whole federation thing super interesting though, I’ve always worked IRL on different types of systems installation/integration so I think my brain is just naturally drawn to novel ways of doing stuff.