Internet Archive forced to remove 500,000 books after publishers’ court win

Yeah, kinda funny how it's OK when there's a bunch of neoliberal gangsters like larry summers behind it, right?

A sad day

You know, this thread really needs a list of of the publishers responsible for this travesty.

"Publishers Hachette Book Group Inc, HarperCollins Publishers LLC, John Wiley & Sons Inc and Penguin Random House LLC" - According to Reuters

Of course those Penguin fucks are involved.

Welp, hope they're backed up somewhere in an uncentralised, segmented, shareable form where people can still access them from the internet.

There's a Minecraft server that has books and articles stored. it's called The Uncensored Library, (visit.uncensoredlibrary.com), and they have various articles and books that are free to view. The Uncensored Library was created by Reporters Without Borders. If I were the people of the Internet Archive, I'd be talking to the folks in the RSF about porting some of their content to this virtual library.
- It only contains a relatively small collection of banned reporting from various countries, not the whole Internet Archive, and only in the form of in-game books, not anything really usable IRL. It's neat but basically a promotional project for RWB.

There are a lot of books that are out of print, especially reference books. And if you look for them on Amazon or eBay, they've been snapped up by scalpers who are reselling them for obscene profit.

Either make the books available for sale or quit complaining about "copyright infringement." But whatever you do, quit hoarding knowledge like a dragon sitting on a pile of gold.

Exactly. Copyright should be nullified if there's no longer first party sales.
We should also go back to the original copyright duration: 14 years with an optional, one-time extension for an additional 14 years.
- If something does not sell anymore, automatically should go public domain or open source. Games, for example.

We live in a system that actively prevents humans to get more knowledge, go figure.

We live in a system that monetizes everything, then seeks to restrict access to those things in order to profit.
Knowledge is just one casualty.
- Scarcity is money and if there is no scarcity laws will be bought to to artificially create said scarcity.
No one is preventing you from visiting a library, which would be a fesible alternative.
However, not a simple solution for everyone in every country. Knowlegde should be a free and shared common good.
- Libraries where good for before the XXI century. Nowadays the amount of content they had is pretty small. Most libraries don't really has anything but the more famous books.
- Well, except scumbags like eric adams, NYC's bought-owned-and-operated-by-real-estate-interests mayor.
- No one is preventing you from visiting a library, which would be a fesible alternative.
  actually blatantly wrong, public libraries are slowly dying and losing funding.

I was looking for resources for a custom LLM and noticed they had a ton of copyrighted books and wondered to myself how the heck that was legal

I guess this answers that

Just like regular libraries have copyrighted books: they lend them to one person at a time.
- Which IA failed to do, which is why they got sued, and why they can’t lend those publishers’ books at all anymore.
  I have no sympathy.
- They definitely weren't monitoring the one at a time rule... I downloaded the file and now have it forever

I'm no computer scientist, but I have a suggestion:

Also change the folder name to "Homework"
- My Homework is over 100GB

I hope they remove them like how Apple removed deleted texts.

I wish the cost of internet access decreased to match decreased available content. Internet shrinkinflation?

With pacbell's interwebs, you get 30 email addresses, and a free subscription to Yahoo's front page!!! Hurry!

If anyone wants my ebook library just let me know.

Ditto. I have everything from Apache web server guides to Apache helicopter service manuals.

So OpenAI is next to stop using those too?

No. That would involve the general public maintaining a consistent position.
I want knowledge to be free. That means free. That means governments, businesses, NGOs, your local church sewing circle, AIs/LLMs, refugees living in tents, convicts, children, and any other humans or human organizations or anything humans built.
I am willing to accept a LIMITED duration copyright and patent and private science publication system if it could be reformed such that it the brains behind it were paid and couldn't legally sign away their compensation. Given that we as a society aren't willing to build this the best course of action is to actively work to break copyright
Wouldn't the attacks on openai be the same as these ones. Like if I was large media company wouldn't I want my media to be vilifying AI because its the same principal and mechanism as training AI. They can kill two birds

That's good. The internet is for advertiser's and businesses. Its not for archives of information

The internet archive plans to appeal the ruling, so the fight is hardly over at this juncture.

Would be interesting to see where it goes.

This means there is still time for data hoarders to react?
The Supreme Court and you know how they will rule.

Sign the petition! Not sure if it is going to make any difference, but it just takes a couple of minutes. https://www.change.org/p/let-readers-read-an-open-letter-to-the-publishers-in-hachette-v-internet-archive

Time to create some torrents? Let's see them fight with the Netherlands on what's seeding in Europe lol

Great, another victory of people keeping IP in closed box away from the public at the small cost of culture disappearing.

The Internet Archive picked a dumb fight that it couldn't win. I want to donate money to the Wayback Machine, but I can't because they'll spend it appealing this stupid thing.

So youve donated a bunch and now stopped? Right? Anakin?

Don’t worry. It’s all on the way back machine 👀

You do realize that the Internet Archive also manages the WayBack machine? (Not sure if your joking or not)
- Yea I know I was teasing

Have a look at ardrive and arweave permaweb.