1y ago

US threatens ICC, warning 'If they [prosecute] Israel, we're next!'

Palestine @lemmy.ml

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1y ago

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Ya know what, I think I am ok with punishing people leading war crime efforts. I sure do wonder what the party of "tough on crime" thinks about the ongoing genocide?
- They're coveres by one of the commandments of their lord and saviour:
  "Rules for thee, but not for me" — Supply Side Jesus
- I wonder what mister crime bill, lock the S.O.B up, thinks of it... Oh wait I don't have to wonder he just told us!
  In 1989 [...] Mr. Biden lamented that the Republican president, George H. W. Bush, was not doing enough to put “violent thugs” in prison. In 1993, he warned of “predators on our streets.” And in a 1994 Senate floor speech, he likened himself to another Republican president: “Every time Richard Nixon, when he was running in 1972, would say, ‘Law and order,’ the Democratic match or response was, ‘Law and order with justice’ — whatever that meant. And I would say, ‘Lock the S.O.B.s up.’”
  
  I really hope we eventually get to a government that unanimously agrees that all life has value.
Maybe you should STOP AIDING THEM IN COMMITTING WAR CRIMES THEN???
- They don't mean in terms of aid.
  The US has refused to submit themselves or their soldiers to international criminal law for a long time now, for plenty of other reasons.
So basically the US government is a gigantic Trump - rising up in self-righteous fury at the very idea that anyone might dare to charge them for the crimes they've brazenly committed.
- Always was
The ICC is 100% correct.
Wait… the US is currently indiscriminately bombing civilians who have nowhere to go, while denying them access to basic necessities?
- Maybe not actively but there’s a lot of past presidents that should be charged if the world was fair. Most obvious example is Bush.
  
  How about Reagon / Carter? El Salvadore Death Squads? School of the Americas?
  
  Jr or Sr?
- This just reminded me Kissinger is dead, my sincere gratitude for that
  
  Gotta plan the road trip to piss on his grave.
- Only by proxy, so no blood on their hands. It's a psychopathological reasoning, but here we are
- Yes but bad man is worse so it's all ok, nothing to see here
  
  What's your 3rd option again? That's right you don't have one.
The US government cares about international law now? That's a new one.
There would be a lot of war crimes the USA can be charged for, retroactively. I think this is not just about Israel.
- Not would. Remember when the ICC tried to investigate US war crimes in Afghanistan?
  
  Yes. If it wasn't so horrific, it would be comical.
The US is not a signatory to the ICC, is it?
In fact, I believe the planned response to such an arrest is to actually storm the Hague and retrieve the American.
Point is, I don't think the US government is too worried about it.
- neither is israel… the ICC decided that it has jurisdiction if a crime was committed in a country(area? because palestine is a signatory but not a country) that is a signatory
  so it’s charged israelis because palestine is a signatory
  afghanistan is also a signatory, so AFAIK the ICC believes it has jurisdiction to charge US citizens for any war crimes that may have occurred during… that… whole… thing
  the US disagrees of course, but IDK it kinda makes sense. if you assasinate someone in, say, the UK and then flee to… like… Russia for example <_< then the UK isn’t just going to say well i guess they’re Russian so we don’t have jurisdiction
- They are worried about their holidays in the countries who apply ICC juridiction (a lot of good holidays places...). Can you imagine ? The audacity of ruining my holidays because i did (or supported by providing weapons, veto, etc) a little genocide ! Poor me, bad ICC.
Ok, can we take the CIA to court? There are a couple of executives in old folks homes that arguably deserve to be rolled into an active volcano.
God willing!
Except the U.S. is not a party to the ICC and therefore not subject to its jurisdiction. It should be, but it's not. This is bullshit fear-mongering over something that literally cannot happen, in order to distract people from the thing that will and should be happening.
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