In every comment thread about the importance of supporting Firefox, there's always at least one comment claiming Firefox is slow, even while I repeatedly see the data say otherwise.

Anecdotally, I've used Firefox, Waterfox, and Librewolf on PC, and none have been slow.

I've used Firefox, Firefox Beta, and Fennec on Android, and if anything they seem faster and easier to use than Chrome (and they actually tend to work like an actual internet browser).

I'm not saying these commenters are all Google sockpuppets, but maybe they're parroting misinformation, or maybe they're using an Apple OS iOS, where Firefox is basically Safari.

It's just really perplexing to me.

The day adverts are forced on me is the day I quit using the internet for anything other than gaming. I fucking hate adverts.

It's time for Firefox and others to sue Google for antitrust. When you're using your monopoly to force web "standards" (instead of having an independent third party set standards) that cause developers to stop supporting your rival browser is clearly illegal monopoly actions.

Sigh. Whoever they have working in their DRM department has been an asshole for a long time now.

This is what the third or fourth - minimum - thing like this they've tried to pass in a few years? I actually like Google as a product family but every time they do this it hits me right in the "maybe I should reconsider" department. Its also usually met with a hard resounding no from everyone. Maybe its that they have a task force that is paid well to protect their ad interests and recover some sort of deficit they see in their ad product.

I donate to the EFF to fight things like this at a professional level...also good to point out though that its not just google's fault. If they build a moat for businesses and everyone installs one, that is everyone's fault.

Have been using Firefox forever basically, with a brief departure when Chrome was fairly new, but later returned.

I end up switching more and more of my stuff away from Google every time something like this comes out.

ELI5 please?

Will using Firefox fix it?

What can we do to make them fail?

What about a small TL;DR?

If the last 5 years are any indication, they'll shelve it on their own within a month.

@uthredii It's kind of interesting that this is coming out after Ai stuff like chatgpt and dall-e came out. iirc, those tools scrap a lot of data from the internet from all places [main reason why twitter had it's rate-limiting, if it's true and not bullshit].

I get that scraping is pretty bad, but putting drm on everything just isn't the right way to go about it. It's like nuking all forests to destroy mosquitos; the mosquitos will die, but so will everything.

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/oligarchs-against-democracy

ELI5: what is DRM?

What part of this can be used for DRM? It looks like its just a crypto-graphically provable User-Agent, assuming I'm reading it right. Am I misunderstanding?

As Zoanoids* said in Michigan**:

"We're fucked."

Honest comment with a bit of a question buried in here this novella.. I use Google devices; Pixel Pro's, Pixel watches, Nest hubs, Nest thermostats, etc. This is a understood agreement (not symbiotic) between me and the behemoth that is Alphabet: I pay them for hardware, and use their "free services" that are heavily subsidized by pillaging my data. I know the hardware does it too, and I'm paying.

I've switched most of my networking and cameras to UniFi, my browsers are all Firefox.. The question is what's next? I dislike Apple iPhones but like my wife's MacBook, but I'm a nerd. All of my devices need to "play nice" in their respective ecosystem. I'm tired of having the inbox app, hangouts, etc only to find Google has grown tired or doesn't care and scraps them.

When the iPhone 15 comes out, I was getting the wife that and myself the Pixel 8P. Now I struggle. The "ultra" premium phones (we both care most about camera) are few and defined. I don't want to jump to Apple, it's the same thing, just packaged differently. Ugh.

There is no ecosystem as mature, polished and integrated as Apple’s. I am all in with them and the way all their devices and services work together is just marvellous.

But the answer to your general question is you will need to go all in on a single company. And TBH, you should. They are all bad to some degree. But cobbling together a pipeline of various manufacturers will always result in a terrible experience, and you’ll be generally paying the same for it anyway.

I shared my mp3s d/l'd from Gmusic on Drive. about 1500 or so. public link. haven't looked lately if it still works. if it took off the bandwidth would likely get their attention. I'm sure they at least keep file checksums to use DRM filters on. u/l'd a DVD rip to Ytube and they blocked sharing from there re: copyright. they don't pay artists much from what I've read. can't easily d/l mp3s from youtube music like the old Gmusic. cds/dvds only last a few years so free backups kept on G servers seems a good use of my free 17Gig

People have been very vocal about this in the issues for that repo. https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues?q=is%3Aissue

There is no ecosystem as mature, polished and integrated as Apple’s. I am all in with them and the way all their devices and services work together is just marvellous.

But the answer to your general question is you will need to go all in on a single company. And TBH, you should. They are all bad to some degree. But cobbling together a pipeline of various manufacturers will always result in a terrible experience, and you’ll be generally paying the same for it anyway.