House approves sell-or-be-banned TikTok measure, attaching it to foreign aid bill
House approves sell-or-be-banned TikTok measure, attaching it to foreign aid bill
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Minimum wage has been $7.25/hr for 15 years and this is what they're getting done on Capitol Hill 🤪
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Because of lobbyists
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How about a digital bill of rights that applies to every corporation you fucking cowards!
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They don't care about every corporation because they work with those corporations. It's because it's a foreign power that started doing the same shit they've been doing for decades now. None of these countries & corporations deserve any sort of sympathy or support from any sane individual.
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I see no issue with banning tik tok.
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I don't like TikTok, but I do take issue with the government deciding what is and isn't available to me.
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They are not banning the content type that tiktok provides, they are banning the foreign authoritarian government control of American user information. If Bytedance Sells tiktok to a business in a non authoritarian state then they no longer care.
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Except they would be ignoring all the other shitty social networks but it's a start.
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what did tiktok do to deserve being banned, and why is it okay for other companies to do that?
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Feeding data to the CCP, helping them identify people who can be easily swayed into espionage. Say someone gets into a position of power. "Hey, remember when you were 12 and said this on tik Tok? Now we need you to be out bitch or we're leaking this."
Look at the things that have gone viral on Tik Tok, it's like their algorithm prioritizes things that are toxic to make American youth shittier. Kia boys comes to mind.
There is also the fact that China bans all American social media out of fear that we'd use it to manipulate their people. If they aren't allowing our businesses to compete fairly, why should we allow theirs? Also, they probably are projecting that fear because they are doing exactly that with TikTok.
The app has more permissions than most apps and is highly invasive. They sent a push notification to all their users based on Geo location saying who their rep was and giving their phone number saying to call them to stop this bill. That alone seems like a major abuse of power. They are using the data they have to try to sway the American politicians already.
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TikTok is very heavily influenced by the CCP and could be used to collect data from Americans (probably they already are). Not wanting your biggest geopolitical rival to harvest data from your citizens is pretty understandable.
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Except for the part where they couldn't get support for it twice so they shoved it in here to get their way? But that's ok because you don't like the silly dancing app that you know basically nothing about right? Other than "China bad", of course.
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I don't give a shit about the China bit, I just think it's dumb and full of misinformation so I really don't care if it's banned. I have no reason to hide my thoughts on this. It's stupid, I think it's cringey as fuck, and I'll be happy to see it go. I know nothing about it because it doesn't remotely interest me in the slightest. I'm sorry you're upset people don't like your stupid little dancing app but lashing out like this changes jack shit. You're right. We don't like it. Nobody here was hiding that.
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i hate TikTok but also Instagram and YouTube shorts should be in the same list
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Well the Senate killed the earlier bill. There's a decent chance they pass the Ukraine/Israel aid bill without this amendment. It would then be stricken in reconciliation. Unfortunately there's also a decent chance the Senate passes it because this version probably fixes things the Senators had problems with.
If it does get passed there's a very good chance there's a court order to prevent anything until the courts rule on the constitutionality of the law. If Bytedance loses that there's zero chance they sell though. The US market is not big enough for them to jettison an international company.
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Why are you cheerleading for TikTok to remain in the hands of a US adversary, during the same week when said adversary forced a US company to abjectly ban US-based messaging apps?
Retaliation. Tit for tit.
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If the government can just point at a company and force a fire sale then there is no market, there is no order, there is no financial industry. This is an incredibly dangerous law.
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Tik for Tok
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The first amendment doesn't have an exception for retaliation.
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Because it has absolutely nothing to do with any of that and everything to do with US corporations wanting our data and eyeballs back. If you think otherwise you're just too easily manipulated.
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Eye for an eye?
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It's not even about propaganda it's not having it until their thumb, they can't push a button and ensure the top video under trans on every search is Matt Walsh, and yeah on all other major platforms if you search trans people critical of trans people pop up. The reasoning isn't popularity or engagement, the US government has ordered them to do it through backroom tax deals and Slapp orders. Next stop for the US gov is gonna be the fediverse and AT proto, they are gonna argue that not just anyone should be trusted and that running a social media server is a big task. security blah blah children, protecting your data. Than lass a bill require you to obtain an FCC license to host your own social media site. It only gets worse from here folks
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Even if someone hates TikTok for whatever reason this should still piss them off. They tried to do this twice and the people said NO both times. To the extent that they spread a bunch of bs rhetoric claiming people were forced to call their representatives last time because they got so much immediate push back lol. Nobody was forced to do anything. A notification was sent to TikTok inboxes telling people about the vote and offering to help them contact their local reps about it. A bunch of people exercised their rights to have a voice and did just that. That was it. That's what happened.
Now here we are. In an incredibly undemocratic move, they forced the ban through anyway.
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Look, I hate TERFs and distrust the US government, but this take is just conspiracy theory nonsense. Unless you have some evidence that the US government is forcing social media to promote anti-trans content, I have absolutely zero reason to believe your claim over the more believable explanation: that promoting controversial content drives engagement and increases ad revenue.
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Weren't you all just hating on Republicans for not voting for that bill.
How about an all bills must be fucking separate bill?
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This was a separate bill. Til Tok, Taiwan, Ukraine, and Israel were all separate. They were brought to the floor at the same time, but they could’ve all been voted on differently
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So the article is wrong?
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You need to fix voting in congress first. The reason riders get put in is because some small bills that are of no interest to some in congress would never make it because they’d never get enough votes to pass. Of course the system got abused to hell with poison pills and shitty bills that are crammed into popular legislation to make it hard to pass or make good legislation pass shitty laws.
So yeah, split the bills. But make these clowns vote on everything.
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Oh, no! What will I do without my level 5 gyatt rizz livvy fanum tax dunne rizzing up baby gronk ice spice wat da dawg doin skibidi toilet in real life only in ohio we go jim zyzz creatine alpha sigma cuh dey board?
This bill would also outlaw using VPNs to view such restricted platforms, and has a general policy that would allow lawmakers to ban any platform they claim is a national security risk. No overreach here!
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The poor kids will lose everything because of course you can only host that kind of fucking trash on tik tok!! It's either on tik tok or not at all!!!
it's ridiculous how attached these children are to a chinese company lol. They just host the goddamn footage and provide an algo to feed that shit to you. THAT'S IT! TT ain't some special fuckin unicorn
but the kids are kids and they don't want to think about and understand that. Most on tiktok probably don't even know of or remember Vine or the other previous iterations of the same exact shit concept. But noooo, the CCP must be allowed to frame the narratives/algos and vacuum up all possible PII data!!!
now that aside, the VPN part you mention is indeed disturbing. Could you please provide the source / exact wording for this claim? I want to read more about it but can't find anything close to what you are suggesting
VPN or virtual private network are not mentioned anywhere
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TikTok is also a pretty effective protest tool, which is also a threat to conservatives. It's just funny how they're so against the CCP rotting the brains of children but do nothing about the black box of YouTube recommendations and every American social media platform (until they started banning campaign misinformation)
VPn or virtual private network are not mentioned anywhere
Shit, they revised it then. I remember there was originally language like that in the original 2023 version.
Currently 0-2 today for spreading correct information.
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Can we just put the american and chinese government in a room and let them fight it out untill they are done?
Just let me watch my funny cat videos and cooking videos in peace thankyou very much.
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I will never vote for my rep again because of this. Climate change, runaway COL, rising wealth inequality, legalize cannabis, Middle East on fire, flood in the district that killed people....utter silence.
Banning Tik Tok was the priority.
I won't vote GOP but my rep is never getting my vote again.
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Is your rep speaker of the house Mike Johnson? If not, they don't choose which bill is voted on...
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Could have voted nay, could have refused to vote on it, could have demanded a rider be attached passing universal healthcare. Choose to vote against our rights to use as shitty app. Therefore I choose to never vote for them again.
Unless you got a time machine my decision is final.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
It would mark the first time ever the U.S. government has passed a law that could shut down an entire social media platform, setting the stage for what is expected to be a protracted legal battle.
"It is unfortunate that the House of Representatives is using the cover of important foreign and humanitarian assistance to once again jam through a ban bill that would trample the free speech rights of 170 million Americans," said TikTok spokesman Alex Haurek.
National security officials in Washington have feared that the Chinese government could use TikTok to promote propaganda aimed at interfering in U.S. elections, or surveil some of the 170 million Americans who use the app every month.
While there has been no evidence made public that Chinese government officials have accessed Americans' information through TikTok, the idea that China has the theoretical ability to weaponize an app used by half of America has been enough to set off an all-out crackdown.
And during the Trump administration's campaign against TikTok, China added content-recommendation algorithms to its export-control list, meaning selling the technology would require the blessing of the Chinese government.
"The Chinese said very firmly this month at senior levels that they won't let the algorithm be sold and without it, it's an empty deal," Lewis told NPR.
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Crazy that the proposed solution to propaganda is banning media instead of investing in education that promotes critical thinking. Or maybe the idea here is "no propaganda except mine".
Investing in education is counter to the clear goals of the USA. Smart people would revolt, protest,and you know, hold companies and billionaires accountable. Uneducated people are often poor, can’t afford to fight back and are scared they will lose what little they have.
At some point we need all to fight back, but it might be too late. And worse, too few will join in out of fear of death.
If people can pick apart China's propaganda it means they can pick apart US propaganda, too.
Can't have that.
I have to tell you, I know many intelligent people that have succumbed to propaganda, and outrage porn addiction. I see it continue to happen on all sides of the political isle. (This isn't a both sides kind of statement, simply acknowledgement that the same tactics work on our brain, indifferent of political ideology.)
Whether they are hooked on the dopamine rush of rage baiting up votes, likes or comments; or only seeing everything in the world through a myopic lens of negativity, it has captured many of my friends and family, including myself for a time.
For some their drug is Fox News, others it's Reddit, Facebook or TikTok, the results are often the same.
I have yet to figure out a manner in which to communicate with individuals who spend considerable amounts of time in echo chambers, constantly having their personal beliefs reinforced. Evasion of cognitive dissonance and social conflict are very powerful psychological motivations. I wish I knew the solution.
Fuck that bro, get mad as hell.
We deserve better lives, and we should be pissed it's being taken from us.
And yet China is banning basically the whole Western internet, foreign companies must enter joint ventures with Chinese companies under government control. Reciprocity is fair. Why should Byte Dance be allowed to take in billions to fund Chinese gulags?
China does thing: Bad
America does same thing: Good
Why do you want our social media to mirror China? That's the real question. What's the US gonna do with our data that's so much better? Oh yeah, fund our allies genocides! Yay! 🥳
As someone who's neither chinese nor american I want nothing more than these countries to keep their hands to themselves. I don't like China doing it, and I don't want the US doing it because China does it. Are y'all gonna hand a piece of your companies to every country they operate in? I'm guessing "no".
Well, of course. They aren't banning Facebook, Instagram or YouTube. That's exactly how they want it.
they aren't even banning tiktok, at least they're trying not to. What they're trying to do is force a sale specifically to US government insiders. They're seizing it. They want that sweet, sweet propaganda and data mining for themselves.
What do you think billionaires are bribing congress for? Regulatory capture keeps all the competitors out. Whereas actually fixing the problem of social media brainwashing would cost them money.