some of you were not aware of this i guess

Also voting for the lesser of two evils makes you evil because less evil is still evil even though it's also more good, but it's not good enough so it's evil and so are you.

Also politicians only really listen when they find out you don't vote- really makes them want to work harder to impress you so you'll vote for them.

unambiguously and absolutely true. 👍
I feel like the sarcasm dripping off this post is going to be lost on far too many.
- I didn’t vote last election and Joe Biden called me up and asked me what he had to do for me to vote for him and I asked for what any other red-blooded American would.
  A Joe Biden dick pic.
- Not gonna lie this one probably would have gotten me if it was on any other post. I feel like it could use a few more unnecessarily large words to really sell it.
i think politicians listen best when we do a huge strike and cost them actual money.
- The ones in office might- but who is in office if\when that happens determines if\how they react. Some might make the policy changes the public is demanding, others might call in the jackboots.
Deontology brains be like

and you cannot must not never ever vote for anyone who doesn't 100% completely totally have do exactly what you want

literally never ever do this you will regret it!

Personally, I plan to vote for Biden. However, everyone has a limit. I'm not going to blame, accuse, or get upset at all towards the people that choose to abstain from voting for a presidential candidate because they cannot in good conscience vote for a person complicit in genocide. I agree with their reasoning, but I cannot in good conscience abstain and let the country fall to fascism again. Complicity in genocide is a reasonable thing for people to say they won't vote for the "less bad" option.

This, we need to respect other peoples decisions. You're not going to win their vote by harassing them over their refusal to do so.
Moderates need to accept that they need to play nice with liberals. Attacking us for valid reasons for not voting, or even attacking those of us who are voting for said candidate while not being quiet about our issues with said candidate is not helping.
The moderate left is genuinely working down this path towards becoming aggressive as the far right at this point. We know you're scared that Trump's going to get in office, but when you reach the point of harassing other people over their choices regarding voting you're becoming just as bad as Trump's mobs.
- I think you finally made me understand. You say “moderates” but see yourself as a real leftist. So it's a matter of ideology to you, not of cause and effect.
  But it wouldn't make you a hypocrite to acknowledge that as fucked as the US democracy is, voting against orange guy could make a material difference. If the next US election was like so many others, just one run-off-the-mill neoliberal ghoul vs another, I'd say you do you. But Trump has the very real potential to be so much worse.
  Trump is racist, sexist, anti-left, and anti-lgbt, and he wants to 1. be a fascist dictator and 2. make policies that punish those he hates. And the international radical left watches with abject horror that some of you don't vote in for the guy who wants to keep women's rights, immigrant rights, and rights for queer people.
- Sure, and you will understand when I say that this is an incredibly privileged position, and is a direct reason why abortion is no longer considered a fundamental human right in the US.
  As long as you are willing to accept that moral liability then we are cool.
- Only the respect they deserve and not a jot more. Those that paralyze themselves over absolute morality will get none should things get worse. Largely ignored should things stay the same or get slightly better. Because they were of no help to anyone, not even themselves.
fair.
blame, accuse get upset? no. present them with information and ask to please reconsider for the sake of their neighbors’ safety? yea.
You apparently have Biden confused with Netanyahu. Biden has been trying to get Bibi to stop his "over the top" response from the start. Now there is a risk of a regional conflict which would be really, really bad. Biden set conditions today.
- Actions speak louder than words. Circumventing congress to deliver $18B worth of 2000lb bombs and F15s says a lot more than his words.
And by "complicit in genocide" you mean "navigating a delicate geopolitical situation by being a serious voice of restraint from the start?"
I swear, the singular thing which enables this nonsense on the internet is that these people know they will never have to actually lead or be held accountable for their outrageous policy positions as long as they continue to hold onto the privilege of their own armchairs.
- Sending billions in weapons and money, and vetoing ceasefire resolutions helps the genocide along a lot more than talking to Bibi has stopped or even slowed it down at all. Actions are stronger than words. Poll numbers seem to only be the only thing that had pushed him to take this more seriously, too.

Bro you don't understand what happening. Joseph Biden is personally stopping peace between Israel and Palestine from happening. Like it would have been such a trivial issue to solve if Biden hadn't personally decided that he wanted this war to continue forever and ordered Israel to do a genocide.

Absolutely?! Else why would his first name be genocide? It’s literally built into his identity.
You're so right, the situation is so complicated that biden just has to supply billions of dollars and military equipment in full support of the genocide! It's just impossible to not support genocide. It's so important that it's worth sacrificing poll numbers to do it!
- Yeah youre so right, because we all know the president is basically just king of America and can just do whatever he likes at all times.
  It's not like there are dozens of factions within even just his own party, many of which support Israel, or at least see them as an incredibly important strategic ally in the middle east who are basically our proxy against countries like Iran and also represent the security of American corporate interests in the region, and those corporations and their billionaire owners have massive influence over the government via individual politicians campaign finances and would bankroll Trump in a heartbeat if they thought Biden is going to ruin their relations in the middle east.
  And even if that was all true. Biden is all powerful so he doesn't have to care about any of that messy "politicking" nonsense.

Also remember to take memes seriously and get in fights with strangers on the internet.

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it’s not too much of a hyperbole to suggest that memes are deadly serious and it’s not a coincidence they have been used in misinformation campaigns and psyops. the arguments with strangers thing i’m 60/40 on tho for sure.
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- It's also really easy to put whatever dumb shit out there and then when called on it just say "it's just meme bro!"
No I won't
- You must be a republican american posting from a Mac with a take like that. The worst kind of person on Lemmy!

When I was a kid I didn't understand how people let a genocide happen. I mean, just go there and protest, disrupting everything you can until they're forced to stop. Everyone's against genocide, right? We should be able to get millions of people to completely flood the streets and prevent everything from happening, including the killing. Sure, they'd gun some of us down, but it'd have to be less than they'd kill otherwise.

Now I'm voting for the guy supplying the weapons.

Am I wholly supporting him and am complicit in everything he has ever done and ever will do? No, but I'm disgusted with myself, and always will be. I have the ability to put my life on the line for the sake of saving those who are losing theirs, and instead I vote for the guy handing out the guns. I have no right to be anything but disgusted with myself. If you can rationalize it and forgive yourself, that's cool I guess, but I'm not going to give myself that out.

Innocent people - mothers, children - will be killed because of the actions of a man I voted for. The least I could do is feel bad about it. If people were being mowed down in my town by guns supplied by another country, I know I'd forever hate the people of that country for not doing something, ANYTHING, to stop it. Our country was founded by the act of stepping up to fight a government that doesn't care about people. Look at us now.

Holy shit homie :(
I guess if you are voluntarily refusing to give yourself an out, that’s your right.
But you absolutely are not required to feel any culpability for this. The meme is satire. The system which precipitated the current crisis wasn’t a product of you, nor your generation, nor even the previous one. You are operating as a reasonable and honest individual looking out for their neighbor in a shitty fucking situation.
The evil and oppression of centuries of white capitalists, imperialists, colonialists and slaveowners is not a cross that needs to dig into your own emotional wellbeing, this point only strengthened by the fact that none of those oppressive scum ever shed a single tear for the terror they wrought.
Thank you for your honesty and courage in posting this. I wish you a bright today and tomorrow ♥️
- I appreciate the kind words, but I'm only responsible for my own actions, and at the end of the day, I have the ability to buy a ticket to Israel or DC to start a protest there.
  It wouldn't do much good with just me, but maybe I'd drum up some support and get a few people to join me. That's how movements start, after all - one person becomes a few, becomes a lot, becomes a force to be reckoned with. But I'm not doing that. I'm posting on social media just like the "thoughts and prayers" crowd.
  This whole situation has shown me exactly how people can let atrocities happen - they simply don't believe their actions would be enough to make a difference, so they sit and hope someone has the balls to do what they can't bring themselves to.

Call me crazy but I think this might be exaggerating for effect.

absolutely not this post is so deadass?

Democracy is intended to make having the top job conditional on following the will of the people.

If a waiter says fuck you, you don't get fries, I want to throw shit at you, they get fired.

If a president says fuck you, you don't get basic human decency, I want to exterminate brown people, he gets fired.

THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE SYSTEM.

If he wants to continue being president, he has to make with the basic human decency. It's not a hard concept.

And if the guy who will surely get hired instead is a monster and it's desperately important for everyone's sake that he keep the job, then it's HIS responsiblity to do the fucking job he's hired for.

I’ll blow this place sky high (by not voting) if every one of my demands aren’t met! I’ll do it!

Demand #1: getaway car #2: public apology from George Lucas #3: Letter “M” stricken from the English language #4: 100% for true no-backsies peace in the middle east

Also, not voting means that everything bad that someone you didn't vote for does is your fault. By the way, supporting genocide is more important than improving poll numbers.

No it’s voting that is a blood pact. Abstention keeps your soul pure like fresh-fallen snow. 🥰

This applies to Trump right?

no sadly it doesn’t apply to republicans its a left wing exclusive thing :(

Same goes for everything artist you listen to, every author you read, every actor you watch, etc.

true! this is why i never read anything cos what if i become a nazi