UK-US air strikes launched against Houthis in Yemen
UK-US air strikes launched against Houthis in Yemen
It comes after the US said it would counter attacks on shipping in the Red Sea launched by the Yemeni group.
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I guess we've arrived at the part where a bunch of low-information lemmings come to say that Biden is bad for striking Houti terrorists who have been attacking and hijacking international shipping lanes, after being warned multiple times over the last weeks to stop. Boo fucking hoo.
Pro tip: when the US military gives you a "final warning" to knock off your shit, maybe listen.
Only the US is allowed to enforce sanctions or institute a blockade. Silly Yemen.
A blockade is an act of war. If you're going to commit an act of war. Don't be surprised when there's a response.
@Cuba
That's an embargo. Non US businesses and ships are free to interact with Cuba. The US doesn't stop other countries from trading with Cuba.
Yemen is perfectly within the provisions of international law in blocking Israeli boats from transiting. The only violation of international law is if you claim that Ansar Allah is not the rightful and legitimate government of Yemen.
I can only imagine being so brainwashed to believe that the Houthis harassing, threatening and attacking one of the biggest international trade routes on Earth, while indiscriminately targeting ships from various countries and ignoring multiple warnings from the UN, Britain and the US, is in any way legitimate.
They attacked civilian ships, they were warned not to, they didn't stop attacking civilian ships, and now they've been retaliated against as promised. Let's see if they're smart enough to finally stop fucking with international civilian trade ships.
But when americans use naval ships to stop civilian ships from getting to Cuba is that them threatening and attacking civilians?
ignoring multiple warnings from the UN, Britain and the US
So everyone needs to follow Americas orders without question?
They attacked civilian ships
Thats how a blockade works, yes.
Thanks for this response, I didn't have the mental capacity to frame it this well.
The US doesn't have a blockade on Cuba. They have an embargo which only affects US ships and businesses. Basically a ban on Americans conducting business with Cuba.
When the US did institute a blockade it was to prevent Russia placing nuclear weapons there. And it was tightly enforced around the island. Not on any ship heading into the Caribbean.
Cuba
Transiting international water? Lmao no.
Enforcing a blockade while at war? Lmao yes.
So you admit the Houthis have declared war on the entire world.
By... Enforcing a blockade of companies that trade with Israel?
Jeez, you're really starting to sound like an antisemite with your idiotic "Jews control the world" narrative. Are you going to pull out an octopus emoji next?
I never said anything like that. The Houthis have attacked ships that are entirely irrelevant to the Israelis. That's why they've declared war on the world. I've been pretty clear about that. So we're done here since you want to try and insert stupid stuff.
Name one.
Globalization sort of means that a lot of ships and shipping companies are relevant to the Israelis.
Edit: if you name a ship that was struck with AIS off... There's a reason it's a violation of international law to turn off AIS. People might think you're trying to avoid sanctions, or something.
Al Jasrah.
And no. You don't get to engage in piracy and then demand your victims let you know where they are.
so US can fund genocide, but no one can protest it, got it.
are trade routes more important than actual human lives?
Why not ask the human lives on the trade vessels?
If the US Navy wasn't swatting missiles and drones, hundreds of sailors would be at the bottom of the sea by now.
Don't forget environmental damage from spilled fuel and actual oil tankers that would be damaged. You know, like the Russian tanker they accidentally fired on today even though it had even less to do with them than anyone else in the sea.
Launching missiles at civilian ships is not a "protest".
can we worry about the environmental damage in palestine too?
oh the poor crewmembers trying to ignore the known agressive blockade, maybe someone in yemen can go to their rescue oh whoops no they will be leveled by the millions lol.
The crew members are there for a wage, and the ships themselves mostly have nothing to do with Israel.
A huge portion of global trade runs through the area, and it's not just "trinkets from China" as some like to say. It's grain, fuel, steel, all of the things that keep the world running in a globalized economy.
You can't blockade the entire world and not expect retaliation. If anything, I'm surprised it took this long.
well you cant cause a literal fucking genocide and expect there not to be retaliation. is trade more valuable than humans?
you know what would solve this immediatly without more deaths? stop the genocide.
As ugly as it sounds? Yes. There are nearly 8 billion humans on a planet with finite resources, globally distributed. The resources, unfortunately, are more valuable than any specific subset of humans at this point.
Without trade, billions would die. And they won't be Westerners, they'll be people who live in places where population exceeds carrying capacity. Namely, the ME and Asia.
Yemen in particular is highly dependent on foreign aid. By blocking trade the Houthis are not looking out for the people of their country any more than Hamas is looking out for the people of Palestine. In fact they are the reason Yemen is starving. I'm not sure why so many people on Lemmy are professing support for an illegitimate, theocratic revolutionary force.
“Arab countries and all Islamic countries will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity.” - Al-Houthi
Yes, the Houthi are real opponents of genocide.
If the Houthis really feel like they have a dog in the fight, they could declare war on Israel and deploy and fight rather than harassing non-combatants. They're nothing but terrorists, not combatants - and if the world agrees on one thing it's that we do not negotiate with terrorists.
boohoo my stuff is taking longer to arrive.
thats a whole bunch of text to justify stopping a blockade but not stopping a genocide. literal genocide.
millions dying right now for no reason. stop the genocide and the blockade will stop, so fucking simple.
in your analysis you forgot the part where the US is funding it, and caused this whole mess in the first place.
but if youd rather have world war 3 over this wtf can i do.
Boo hoo, clearly you didn't read about how shipping is the lifeblood of the world, and it's not about some "stuff" not arriving. It's about not setting a precedent that anyone with a rocket launcher is allowed to take potshots at civilian vessels.
Without nuts and bolts and cultivator shovels and sickle knife sections Canada won't have grain to export to the rest of the world. Oh no, we don't make any of those ourselves? The world is extremely co-dependent now, which is part of the reason that we don't have any major wars going on.
You know who can stop this right now? Hamas can stop this right now. They are clearly not going to "win". Their prolonged actions are only causing suffering to their own people. They could do the honourable thing and SURRENDER which would end the war right now. But they aren't going to do that, because they aren't fighting for benefit of the Gazan people. They're fighting because they hate the Jews.
Israel walked away from Gaza many years ago, left it entirely under its own governance. If its people had put the past aside and chosen a path that led to alliances and peaceful cooperation with the world, it could be a bustling trade hub and a beautiful little vacation destination on the shores of the Mediterranean.
Instead they chose their hatred of the Jews and spent decades launching rockets into Israel.
The same applies to the Houthis. Yemen could be a prosperous nation like its neighbours. Instead it's a war-torn dump in abject poverty. Ever wonder why we sell weapons to our questionable "ally" of Saudi Arabia to fight them? Because for all that SA is terrible, the Houthis are worse.
Do you think their Iranian backers will tell them to back down once they learn that they have full control over a major shipping lane, and the ability to blackmail the world with it? That's the true path that leads to WW3.
What if some of those merchant sailors (who are often so poor they can't even afford to leave port) are Palestinians? Is it okay to kill those Palestinians?
of course not. but its very disingenious to start caring about palestinians when trade routes are disrupted but not when millions of them are getting killed or displaced.
Protests do not involve launching explosives at civilians.
then stop throwing explosives at palestine and yemen, very simple.
That's not how that works. Nobody ever stopped a war by starting another.
not war, genocide.
genocide can be simply stopped.
who really started this war? who is getting bombed by the millions now?
Lol. You do not get to attack random cargo ships and say the countries policing the ocean started it.
Do human lives only matter to you when they're your team's?
Especially considering why the US navy was even created.
I'm voting green and red (Greens, socialists and communists)
As shitty as it is, when it comes to the actual presidential election, that’s basically a vote in trump’s pocket if he’s the candidate. Trump’s base is already solidified. They’re voting for him no matter what. He could get on live tv and say he’ll have everyone who voted for him executed after becoming dictator, and they’d cheer louder. For Biden, he’s going to struggle to get votes beyond “always vote blue” so any vote not for him is going to weaken his position against Trump. There’s no scenario where a third party wins.
It’s not how it should be, but in this election, it’s what’s going to matter.
Ok so then what? Biden wins another election term, continues committing genocide in Gaza, and after 4 years we're still stuck in the same place we started?
Vote for Democrats again so Arabs in the middle east are murdered and Nazisrael expands their Lebensraum to include Lebanon and Jordan?
If Biden wins while committing genocide it's signaling that Democrat voters are just as fine with genocide as Republicans are, giving the Democratic party no reason to stop doing it.
Genocide Joe must be replaced by a different candidate without a funny nickname, because voting for Biden now means you directly endorse genocide.
Or, vote for a third party candidate. Trump wins. He guts the checks and balances of the US government, a civil war erupts, the “little” insurrection we saw becomes very real. All the proud boys sitting home with their rifles scrolling truth social start to walk outside and shoot people they don’t like because Trump said it’s ok. Half the police are trying to quell the violence, half of them are siding with the insurrection.
Foreign policy doesn’t matter at this point, it’s a matter of who survives the internal struggle. The EU and other nations ban travel to and from the US while they decide whether or not to intervene. Our NATO treaties are about protection from other nations, not from ourselves. The fascist uprising in the US gives strength to other international fascist uprisings that are currently rearing their heads across the world. Israel does whatever the fuck it wants, and the weapon dealers of the US, no longer bound by international treaty are happy to fill those weapon orders.
Either a stronger section of what remains of the US government defeats the insurrection, and begins to pull apart the rubble for survivors, or what has won becomes the new “America,” no longer United States, but one “strong nation” so on and so forth.
This isn’t a standard election, it’s literally deciding whether to vote in someone who has actively claimed they will become a dictator once in power. And it has very broad global implications beyond Israel’s imperialist invasion of Gaza.
We heard the that dictatorship argument in 2016. Trump removed Roe v Wade (which the democrats refused to encode while they held full power even though everyone and their moms asked them to do it), had a small army of looneys achieving nothing on jan 6, and now Genocide Joe is president.
If the Dems don't change Biden, Trump will do 4 more years of stupid shit and then they'll have another shot.
The world stage was not nearly as volatile in 2016 as it is now, and Trump, who did manage to gut much of the US government legally at the time (Supreme Court, EPA, FCC, Education, Labor, Agriculture, Transportation, etc), was not at that point declaring he would go full dictator like he is now. He wasn’t on trial for being a literal insurrectionist and traitor against our democracy at that point. Like I said, it’s a very different election. I don’t like Biden, but I do like the idea that Biden can be legally voted out of power, and then the next president can also, legally be voted out of power. Trump’s goal is that he cannot be legally voted out of power, to the point that his militia will try to murder anyone that makes an effort to remove him from unlawful power.
Here's the big problem: Democrats have refused to fix it even when they were in power. Because it benefits them. The Democrats with Obama had full control of everything before 2016. Obama and Biden could have prevented this but they didn't.
Democrats purposely didn't encode any rights such as abortion. All so they can keep saying "Oohhh look at the other scary side, keep voting for us Democrats! You can't vote third party this time they will take your abortions away!".
Unless Americans start waking up to these extremely obvious forced scare tactics that the Democrats themselves hold in stand, nothing will ever change. And Genocide has to be the line at which you say "holy shit this is too far". The end do not justify the means anymore if the means include genocide.
And you think the answer is to make it worse? To see if we can have an even bigger civil war?
Fuck off.
Ok, so you are opting for a forced revolution, because my position of trying to prevent fascism isn’t the solution, and your position of voting for another candidate will allow the us to enter a civil war period. That’s fine, but you have to mop up the blood. A revolution or civil war in the US is likely inevitable, but you’re an accelerationist, claiming a position within the existing system with the interests of forcing the system to end
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You aren't trying to prevent fascism by voting for Genocide Joe who is trying to start WW3. You are endorsing and enabling fascism and supporting Nazism.
Or you could:
- look at the overall picture instead of voting one issue
- consider the alternative
- stop being unrealistic that anything will change
We can all agree with wanting the suffering of civilians to end but random countries in civil wars taking potshots at merchant ships passing by or throwing missiles in the general direction of hostilities, seems more like an attention getting tactic
What bigger picture? It's fucking genocide dude. Holy shit this is not just a small issue you can ignore.
It's like saying "Vote for Hitler, he's better than the other guy and it's just the Jews that are going to get kiled.
What israel is doing is blockading food and water from entering into Gaza which is an actual Nazi style war crime straight from the concentration camps.
This is what shipping through the red sea looks like right now in 1000's ships:
The Houthis are most definitely making an enormous global impact. Since the West is not standing up for humanitarian rights it seems like the only thing that will stop this genocide them is losing money.
Biden is not running for President of Israel
So the Houthis are coming off a civil war resulting in 300,000 deaths, yet now we’re getting worked up about less than a tenth that. Houthis are pirating or taking potshots at random merchant ships passing by, yet this is Israel’s fault?
Last time I checked there were 2.3 million people in Gaza. You know why the Houthis do this? Because israel is still committing genocide in Gaza.
Its ok because Houthis are defending themselves? That’s what we’re going with?
Yes the Houthis were actually chosen by god 3000 years ago and there was a Hamas tunnel under the cargo ship. Thus they have the right to defend themselves.
All that will still happen under trump, plus the Ukrainians will lose their lifeline and be conquered by Russians, and we’ll likely have purges in America or a civil war as trump tries to end America’s run as a democracy.
Maybe ask Biden to bypass congress for Ukraine, instead of using them to give israel more bombs to kill children with then
Problem. Biden is the only candidate with a chance of winning and plans to let people vote again in 2028. Protest voting or staying at home means we're stuck with a genocidal idiot for the rest of his life. And God help us when he's replaced by the genocidal smart guy with no checks against his power.
At some point you have to vote in your own interest.
These aren't lost votes for Biden. Most of these people straight up would never vote for him to begin with. You neolibs need to accept that the world doesn't revolve around you.
lol
looks at buttons
button 1 is a fascist dictatorship
button 2 staves off the dictatorship
button 3 does nothing
Yes, my super neoliberal alignment is where my decisions are based. I would love for another candidate to get the presidency, but the 70k or so active users on Lemmy voting for so won’t matter.
Unless you live in one of the handful of close states, your vote red or blue makes no difference to the electoral college. Why give either of these your symbolic popular vote.
No 3rd party will win, but a rising 3rd party is competition that may at least raise an issue’s prominence or worry the main parties enough to pull their finger out and run better candidates.
I wouldn't miss this election for the world! ^(because the consequences of fucking this up would echo far, far beyond the US....)
And take someone with you!
What's the model of your axolotl?
As someone in a solid blue state, my vote won’t help decide our future, but we’re going for biggest percentage win.
Yeah because no republican has ever started a war in the middle east before.
Americans are so close minded they only think in Democrat and Republican, open your eyes. That’s not a democracy.
Yeah no shit sherlok, you have 2 choices. Shitty neoliberal capitalist or actual fascist. Neither are good choices, but one is obvious choice.
I mean, the rest of us do too. That's just how the American system is set up.
Come lead our Constitutional Convention then. Or persuade 38 states to vote for an election amendment. It's easy to criticize, come actually do something.
Oh wait, was OP being ironic?
You gotta vote for the blue orphan-crushing machine!
Option 1: the racist orphan-crushing machine.
Option 2: the orphan-crushing machine