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Nah, sorry but this is an absolutely horrendous take. Modern Israel is fundamentally an early settler-colonial project, and thus is based on genocide. The only solution is a single, secular and democratic Palestine, with minority protections. There isn't anything genetic about the Palestinian/Settler conflict, in fact a large number of Israelis are from the US and Europe, not actually born in Israel.
Kamala would never stem the flow of support for Israel, because Israel's role in the broader US Empire is as a mega-US millitary base in the Middle East, to keep oil flowing and pressure the Middle East into conceding to US interests above all. Kamala knew this, Biden knew this, Trump knows this too. None of them ever would have stopped the gravy train, the US depends on it economically. The loss of Israel would be a devastating blow for US soft power in the region, hence Biden's endless public critique while privately sending everything necessary. The difference with Trump is that it's all above the table and public facing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)
Nah, sorry but this is an absolutely horrendous take.
You don't get to call truth an"absolutely horrendous take", but it's kinda the only tool the proxy-trump voters have left to save a little face, so whatever floats your boat.
What, exactly, does linking a Wikipedia page dispute about what I've said? What "truth?" I called your analysis a horrendous take because it was, Israel pre-October 7 was commiting genocide, and was commiting genocide even back when it was founded three quarters of a century ago. Kamala would never oppose Israel. I also don't like the insinuation that I'm a Trump voter, I never voted for Trump nor any republican, ever. Calling your take bad wasn't my "only tool," I dismantled your argument that capes for Zionist genocide of Palestinians.
Here's some good reading for you, since you love linking articles:
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
I also don’t like the insinuation that I’m a Trump voter...
I'm not insinuating that, I'm stating that you are a proxy trump voter. There is a difference.
Let put it this way. If this ongoing genocide has always been such an issue since the 1940s, where the fuck were the people protesting voting and calling for a cessation of support during previous elections? Why wasn't this laid at the feet of Trump on 2024, or Biden and Trump in 2020, or Clinton and Trump in 2016, or Obama and Romney in 2012? The answer is that it was a wedge issue driven into the anti-trump voters by Republicans and their foreign backers in a boldface attempt to fragment the voting bloc. Full stop. People fell for it, they fell for it fucking hard, they put the idealized fairytale ending of an endless war between two groups of religious zealots above the safety of immigrants, the rights of citizens, the prosecution of corrupt politicians and the general rule of law here.
You got conned into being a proxy trump voter. 2 party system sucks, I know. I wish it was all sunshine, rainbows, and an intelligent and compassionate electorate, but we're not going to get that if we keep going all in on a 0.3% chance of winning just the Presidency for 4 years. Baby steps. You gotta walk before you can run.
Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump. If I wanted Trump to win, I would have voted for Trump. Simple as that.
Secondly, pro-Palestinian protests have been ongoing since Palestine was first colonized by the settler Zionists. The increase in support over time for such protests comes from the increased relevance of social media, and the erosion of influence of traditional media, which is easier to control. I've been pro-Palestine for decades, the tremendous increase in opposition to genocide has been an incredible tilt that I have never seen before, and it's thanks to the fact that daily people are seeing Zionists gun down dozens of Palestinians.
There is precisely no evidence of foreign actors pointing out the bipartisan support for genocide as a means to get Trump elected. Zero. This is an utter fantasy you invented in order to reconcile your willing participation in a genocidal system.
And no, electoralism doesn't work. Leftists have known this, which is why Leftists advocate for getting organized, and not for distilling your connection to the political process to a single vote cast once every 2-4 years.
There is precisely no evidence of foreign actors pointing out the bipartisan support for genocide as a means to get Trump elected. Zero. This is an utter fantasy you invented in order to reconcile your willing participation in a genocidal system.
That's not the argument I made. I said that there were Republicans and foreign actors targeting the anti-trump voting bloc.
I've been pro-Palestine for decades
So who did you vote for in the last 4 elections?
And no, electoralism doesn’t work. Leftists have known this, which is why Leftists advocate for getting organized...
Gotcha, so where are we at with that "leftist" party? I don't see much organizing going on over there.
Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump. If I wanted Trump to win, I would have voted for Trump. Simple as that.
Proxy voting for trump is proxy voting for trump. If you wanted trump to lose, you would have voted for the viable candidate that stood a chance of beating him. Simple as that.
There's precisely no evidence of Republicans or foreign actors pointing out the bipartisan support for the genocide of Palestinians as a means to get Trump elected.
Not telling you who I've voted for, you aren't owed that.
PSL is growing more rapidly than ever, and is spearheading a lot of the current protests against Trump and against ICE, against the bombing of Iran, against the genocide of Palestinians, and more. You should join! Would be good for your political growth.
There is no such thing as "proxy voting." I did not vote for Trump, and no matter who I voted for, he still would have won. It wasn't close, and it wasn't because of some master play by foreign actors and Republicans. It's because the DNC has moved so far to the right that they are utterly disconnected from the needs of the working class, a class they can't support because just like the GOP, they are a party of the capitalist class.
Not telling you who I’ve voted for, you aren’t owed that.
The "silence" is deafening.
There’s precisely no evidence of Republicans or foreign actors pointing out the bipartisan support for the genocide of Palestinians as a means to get Trump elected.
Saying it again doesn't make it right. Thats not the argument I put forth. Read it again, slower this time.
Also, you should really rethink PSL. I looked into them last year after a commentor suggested them as an "anti-genocide" party... And there is a lot of support of the North Korean Workers party, and the CCP in the PSL organization. Both of which have perpetuated horrible genocides and human rights abuses.
So no, I won't be joining.
There was no "silence." I outright told you that you aren't owed an answer.
I read your comment, it's exactly what you meant.
Further, you're deeply confused about PSL, the WPK, PSL's stance on the CPC and DPRK, as well as Socialism and Socialist history in general. Talk to a local chapter and try to get a better understanding of things. By the sounds of it, you'd condemn Nelson Mandela, Cuba, the Black Panther Party, all manner of Socialist orgs. Considering your erasure of the Palestinian genocide, I don't think you're a good reference for anything.
Like, what genocide have Koreans, North or South, ever comitted? Koreans on both sides were the victims of genocide at the hands of the US Empire. More tons of bombs were dropped on Korea than the entire pacific front of World War II, and the US was preparing to nuke it.
Considering your erasure of the Palestinian genocide.
Citation needed.
...what genocide have Koreans, North or South, ever comitted...
Estimates based on the North Korean census suggest that 240,000 to 420,000 people died as a result of the North Korean famine and that excess mortality during the whole period 1993 to 2008 was between 600,000 and 850,000.[173] The famine has been described as the result of the economic policies of the North Korean government[174] or as deliberate "terror-starvation".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea
I read your comment, it’s exactly what you meant.
I seriously doubt your ability to comprehend the written word since you've read it 3 times and still can't accurately summarize my stance on the issue.
Your comment got removed for your erasure of the Palestinian genocide, you made it seem like pre-October 7 there was no genocide and that "both groups have been killing each other for hundreds of years," you have no analysis of Israel as a settler-colony.
As for the Arduous March, that's a horrible mischaracterization. After the fall of the USSR, the DPRK's main trading partner, the economy was in utter shambles. The US deliberately sanctioned the DPRK in the hopes that starvation would lead to the people overthrowing the government, rather than letting them trade for food, or even export commodities in exchange. This was on top of floods and drought.
You have no actual knowledge of Korea or Palestine, you rely on Wikipedia articles as a substitute fot actually digging into these subjects. You have a thoroughly western-centric and US-friendly viewpoint with surface-level knowledge at best.
Again, I read your comment, it's exactly what you meant. There is precisely no evidence of foreign actors pointing out the bipartisan support for genocide as a means to get Trump elected. Zero. This is an utter fantasy you invented in order to reconcile your willing participation in a genocidal system.
Right now, you aren't really worth talking with. You don't actually have an understanding of the subjects we are discussing, historically or conceptually. I suggest you take a step back and do some actual research. The books and articles I linked earlier on Israel and Palestine are good for an intro on that matter, at the very least.
With liberals like you, who needs republicans?