Italy admits hacking activists with Israeli spyware Paragon
Italy admits hacking activists with Israeli spyware Paragon
An Italian parliamentary committee has confirmed that the government used the Israeli-made spyware Graphite, developed by the offensive cyber company Paragon, to hack the smartphones of several activists working with migrants.
The committee confirmed that Paragon provided Graphite to two Italian agencies, including the country's external intelligence service, starting in 2023. The version of Graphite provided did not include the ability to activate the phone's microphone or camera, the report said. Instead, it only enabled its operators access to encrypted communications on the hacked devices.
The report also confirmed that Graphite exploited a vulnerability in WhatsApp that Meta identified and patched in December 2024, one month before the spyware's activity was publicly disclosed. The vulnerability's discovery also caused "panic" at Israel's military intelligence Unit 8200, according to the recent Israeli television report.
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Sure, any censorship, spying and oppression is bad. I’m just saying one goes harder than the other, but I’m not denying that it sucks and that it clearly exists. I’m well aware of the patriot act and that speaking can endanger you. I just have this feeling like you get persecuted for speaking against the government in countries like China, whereas you need to be a strong figure to have the same fate in other countries. Anyways, it sucks for all countries that have this.
I have no data and this is just a feeling.
Democracy and freedom of speech, freedom to protest, freedom in general is in danger
I just have this feeling like you get persecuted for speaking against the government in countries like China
Tell that to the students that were expelled from their universities and had their degrees revoked or the public employees that were for fired for speaking out against the American government's support for the Gazan genocide.
Not to mention the civil servants that were fired/fined for advocating for LGBTQ rights in the decades past.
Laura Poitras, Jake Applebaum, Snowden, Assange, Manning, too many others I can't recall, atm, for example.
USA sucks as well. As far as I’m concerned, it is not a democratic country that supports freedom of speech and I’ll never go there.
USA is a bit similar to china on this subject
it's not just the usa; similar actions have happened in the uk and france regarding the genocide and they've also punished people for advocating for lgbtq rights in the past.
that feeling that you have regarding repression from countries like china is only a feeling; not reality.
that feeling that you have regarding repression from countries like china is only a feeling; not reality.
Even though we have many instances where this happened? And people dissapeared in Hong Kong? Come on, you must be joking.
i literally just pointed out many instances of the same thing happening outside of china; my point is that it happens everywhere and your feeling that it only happens is china is not reality.
Your comment only implied that it did not happen in China.
I still feel like it’s worse there. It happens everywhere sure, but not as much. Fuck their shitty firewall and fuck surveillance.
I’ll just stop here because we’re getting nowhere. You’re saying it happens everywhere, I agree, but feel like it happens more in China for example.
again, feelings are not facts
Those feelings are based on facts.
The great firewall, Hong Kong, censorship against other regimes and countries, Taiwan, social credit… fucking WeChat!?
You've already admitted that your feelings are not based on data or facts. And the fact you still think social credit is real or that "Taiwan" just as a word is condemnation of China certainly confirms that.
I have no data and this is just a feeling.
This is a description of what being propagandised feels like; you have this feeling, but you can't put your finger on why.
Oh I know why, I just don’t have the data to confirm this and frankly, I don’t want to. I’ve heard enough to confirm this general feeling. People that have no interest in lying about this, getting sent in jail for minor things, or just seeing what the governments of these countries are saying, lying in plain sight.
I just don’t have the data to confirm this and frankly, I don’t want to. I’ve heard enough to confirm this general feeling.
What you are describing is called "confirmation bias"
I just have this feeling like you get persecuted for speaking against the government in countries like China, whereas you need to be a strong figure to have the same fate in other countries.
I have no data and this is just a feeling.
We can learn and take away a lot from this vibes-based, "democracy" virtue-signaling analysis, but not about the topic at hand.
This is still a cool way to downplay the West's imperial staple of suppressing activism, engages in revisionism and amplifies everything that helps liberalism, all while accusing everyone outside the imperial core of doing so (or doing worse) as well, the statement along the lines of "does worse" doesn't mean anything when you recognize that it's a Western idea fully embraced and embroidered by the West that is insurpassable/incomparable to any other form of censorship.
Freedom of speech is a meaningless concept, especially so for anyone that's not white, when you can't actually criticize EU/US/KKKommonwealth countries within these countries meaningfully without fear of losing your job, your house, your visa (this is exacerbated for foreigners, often not talked about) or your life.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-warrant-mahmoud-khalil
Your "freedom" to "speech" and "democracy" are constrained within a clearly drawn boundary, the boundary of which is drawn by the ruling class.
Any other country outside the West engaging in censorship is either a) a dog of the West or b) protecting itself from fully succumbing into being a dog of the West.
Notice how a Westerner does not risk anything by truly believing in and expressing things like "china censorship bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet", but a non-Westerner risks absolutely everything by even slightly hinting at a criticism towards Western imperialism/wanting better conditions at the cost of the ruling class, perhaps even in their own damn fucking country, this is where point a) comes in to play.
When it comes to China, they fall squarely in b):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAEwoYIYgJA
Once you understand the asymmetry, it becomes a lot clearer why the "both sides" argument is just a feeble attempt at minimizing Western imperialism.
You're taking the USA as an example, and we all know the current situation is really fucking bad and not comparable to other western countries.
Your “freedom” to “speech” and “democracy” are constrained within a clearly drawn boundary, the boundary of which is drawn by the ruling class.
Sure, it is, but my point is that it's less restricted.
Notice how a Westerner does not risk anything by truly believing in and expressing things like “china censorship bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet”, but a non-Westerner risks absolutely everything by even slightly hinting at a criticism towards Western imperialism/wanting better conditions at the cost of the ruling class, perhaps even in their own damn fucking country
That's just a massive lie. It doesn't work this way, unless maybe you're in a far-right wing country like the USA rn. I'm in France and we have a lot of far-left people, communists and stuff, none of them are in jail. Saying such things as "bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet" would clearly get you in trouble, especially the "bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum" because it can't be argued that you were only talking about soldiers etc...
Any other country outside the West engaging in censorship is either a) a dog of the West or b) protecting itself from fully succumbing into being a dog of the West.
Yea sure, it's only "you're with, or against us". No in-between. haha
I'll just stop here because there's no point in this discussion and I feel like I'm just talking to a tankie, member of lemmygrad and hexbear, that hopped on its alt account.
You’re taking the USA as an example
So? How is it not comparable to other Western countries? The original post already fucking exemplifies why censorship is a staple of the West, not just the US. Swear to god libs like you don't actually have an argument to make and resort to moving goalposts to make up for it:
etc. etc.
Sure, it is, but my point is that it’s less restricted.
And that point is pointless because "less" restrictions only apply to small groups of people.
That’s just a massive lie. Notice how organized groups like the AfD, the National Rally, Renaissance etc.. still exist but any smaller scale organization of people that threatens imperialism get squashed ASAP:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/richard-medhurst
https://electronicintifada.net/content/switzerland-deports-eis-ali-abunimah/50337
https://www.newarab.com/news/pro-palestine-supporters-losing-jobs-over-gaza-solidarity
https://www.commondreams.org/news/ice-warrant-mahmoud-khalil
Saying such things as “bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet” would clearly get you in trouble
[citations needed]. I assure you that the most "trouble" libs faced was a slap on the wrist.
🤣 thanks for exposing yourself as nothing but a vibes-based liberal. Hasn't even produced a single shred of evidence either.
I feel like
This seems to be your go to justification for a lot
I prefer admitting it than lying like you do
I haven't lied anywhere.