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The day starts at zero, not 12. 12 is "Noon" ie halfway through the day. The clock starts at 12 because it's more practical than inscribing 24 divisions in a circle. And the 6 doesn't "mean 30", it's simply the hour marking at the bottom of the circle. Finally, the 12 hour clock was invented after the 24 hour day, not the other way around.
And inb4 "I bet you're fun at parties". I'm all for "this logic is ridiculous" jabs, but this is just misrepresenting everything to make it sound stupid. Everything sounds stupid when you purposefully get it wrong.
Personally, I enjoy this kind of discussion at parties.
You sound fun at parties
I mean the day does start at "the 12" on the face of the clock. And 30 minutes is at the 6 on the clock. I get what you're saying but come on they both make sense.
You must be fun at parties 😉 jk I'd party with you! I'm not very fun at parties tho.
Well to add some more pedantry to this conversation, only one of the explanations makes sense, the other is obtuse for comic effect.
Let's all have an awful party together 🥳
In the US the day starts at 12 AM; there is no zero.
The most unlogical thing. If it starts at 12 AM, the next hour is 1 PM, right?
I prefer midnight and noon, or a 24h clock.The most unlogical thing. If it starts at 12 AM, the next hour is 1 PM, right?
No, ante meridiem and post meridiem say whether it's before or after noon, thus, after 12:59 AM comes 1:00 AM.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight
I mean when looking at numbers:
. . . . . . 1100pm 1159pm 1200am 1259am 0100am ... 1100am 1159am 1200pm 1259pm 0100pm ... 230024h 235924h 000024h 005924h 010024h ... 110024h 115924h 120024h 125924h 130024h ... Too much confusion.
Even NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology in the US) suggests:
To avoid ambiguity, specification of an event as occurring on a particular day at 11:59 p.m. or 12:01 a.m. is a good idea, especially legal documents such as contracts and insurance policies. Another option would be to use 24-hour clock, using the designation of 0000 to refer to midnight at the beginning of a given day (or date) and 2400 to designate the end of a given day (or date).
I didn't want to imply that the use of the 12 hour system should be prefered in any way. Just that the division into AM and PM follows some logic. Its just the numbering 12, 1, 2,... that's weird.
I like your reply. I think it's a source of all problems.
"midnight" and "noon" for sure.
.... And now I'm thinking about all those super heros and villains named "midnight" and their logical counter-characters "noon"
the 12 is a zero point, it's just listed as 12.
You don't know what a.m. and p.m. mean.
Let me introduce you to something known as military time (which, yes, even exists in the US)...
To akshually your akshually, the day DOES start at 12 in places that use a 12 hour clock, since midnight is 12am and there is no 0am.
Also this meme is not a serious criticism of clocks meant to be taken literally, so taking it as such so you can debunk it just makes it look like you're trying too hard to appear smart.
to akshually your actually post, the 12 IS zero. noon, as in midday isn't zero, which is a sort of arbitrary decision. That's the differentiating feature between the two systems.
Technically i guess you could count the noon point as 0 also, but that provides ambiguity, so i think it;s better to treat noon as 12, and midnight as 00:00 (but listed as noon) because then it perfectly maps to 24hr time.
The clock is two dials at the same time superimposed on another. There’s one 12 hour dial and one 60 minute dial. To save space and material they are combined into one.
You sound stupid when I purposefully get it wrong
Edit: dear Lord, y'all's funny bones are broken tonight
12 is the zero point, it's just indexed one off, because there isn't a 00:00 timeslot in 12 hr time, so it needs to be 12.
It has to do with 24hr time being zero indexed, and 12hr time being 1 indexed, so it's slightly offset at the point of day changeover.
Also, noon is when you set your clocks based on the sun.
The clock starts at 12 and not 0 because humanity didn't have the concept of 0 when we invented the 12 hour clock