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Don’t let your cats roam, it’s a dick move in so so many ways. Be responsible and keep and eye on your pet on your property, if you don’t think cats are indoor animals, don’t get one
I’m always amazed cat owners let them roam. You’re putting a LOT of trust in both the animal as well as your greater environment. Just the other week I read a message from our local animal shelter. They had found a cat which had gotten poisoned. Either intentionally or unintentionally, that couldn’t be determined.
They had to put it down before the owner was found, it was that sick. I’d feel pretty guilty if that was my cat.
Cats can get run over, abducted, get hurt, etc. Even ignoring the fact that it’s a living creature, it’s also an expensive piece of property and vet bills aren’t cheap either.
Instead of a catio I installed fences around my property so my cats could enjoy the outside without roaming outside. It wouldn't work for everyone because my property is half walled to (not the regular american layout) but it works like a charm.
I’ve had 3 cats(all rescued), one that refused to stay inside and would run out the door before I knew. I live in a house now with him and he goes out with the dog. He’s outlived his siblings and keeps the mouse population from the field behind my house from getting inside. I also keep a loud bell collar on him to assist those wild critters.
The smart reply isn’t to keep(force) your pets inside, it’s to get them spayed or neutered and stop having so many fucking cats.
I've had closer to 9 cats (all either strays or fostered/adopted), and the two that stayed inside their entire life managed to outlive the others by like 6 years and counting. The smart reply is absolutely to keep your pets inside.
Y'all really can't wait to see your own cats flattened on the road, huh? "But my cat is smart enough to avoid cars!" No, your cat is lucky enough to have avoided cars so far.
If you care about your pet or neighbours keep it inside. Don’t make your pet other peoples pests. Can you imagine if dog owners just opened their doors at night to let them roam? Why do cast people think they’re special?
P.s. i found a cat leg in my yard the other day, since we have coyotes and birds of prey in my area. So there’s some consequences for you
Not to mention how much damage cats do to wildlife populations.
There are cats that definitely come with pre-conditions. For example our last cat was abandoned and he chose us next. But first he spent about 4 months learning to like being outside. So until we moved* he wouldn't let us keep him inside. He'd literally climb out the window, up the wood framing, to the roof, get into the pine trees and work his way down from there. Eventually we'd just get a meow at the front door when we thought he was still chilling in the living room.
If you're adopting a shelter cat or bringing up a kitten you should absolutely keep them inside. But some cats will let you know they have terms and conditions to your relationship.
Note - Once we moved he no longer wanted to roam so much and was content with being a balcony cat. Which strongly suggests it was tied to some idea of territory or familiarity with that area.
All excuses as far as I’m concerned.
I found a cat leg the other day, victim to a coyote. But I guess the owners can be comforted that their kitty got fresh air.
But as a neighbour who deals with this issue and property damage from neighbours cats , if your pet becomes my pest i will deal with it as such, and you’ll never know about it
Be a little piece of shit, and one day you'll find out that you aren't the only one who can kill, as you learn your brakes aren't functional on the highway.
Sincerely, Your neighbors <3
Do you react the same way to people using pesticides or mole traps? A pest is a pest is a pest. If you want the moles to stay safe, don't let them into your neighbor's yards. Same goes for cats. That's why I keep mine inside.
Yeah, sure, I'm not like "crash through their backyard wall and encourage the behavior" but also fuck people who act entitled as fuck and macho, just out to harm other living beings because they entered an imaginary zone next to their assumed home.
fuck people who act entitled as fuck and macho, just out to harm other living beings because they entered an imaginary zone next to their assumed home.
That's not why people kill pests. If you find that your house is infested with cockroaches, do you just let them be because you don't want to seem entitled?
Edit: also
Be a little piece of shit, and one day you'll find out that you aren't the only one who can kill, as you learn your brakes aren't functional on the highway.
But you're making fun of people for acting "macho" for defending their property from destructive animals. Lol
Intentionally missing the point, are we? Poor bait fam. Troll elsewhere.
I will bet my left testicle that someone is gonna read this comment, and think I'm calling cats cockroaches. 100% guaranteed.
You... You think somebody let's moles onto people's yards? A pest is just an animal doing it's animal thing. It's humans that think their thought up idea of property gives them the right to kill another beeing.
You... You think somebody let's moles onto people's yards?
How do you misunderstand my comment this badly? No, but people are letting cats into people's yards. Cats, like moles, are pests, and homeowners can deal with them like any other pests.
If you want to protect a mole, don't let it into someone's yard. If you want to protect a cat, don't let it into someone's yard.
A pest is just an animal doing it's animal thing.
Yes, and cats doing cat things makes them pests.
It's humans that think their thought up idea of property gives them the right to kill another beeing.
I just watched my cat torture a mouse the other day. Bit down on its head and popped it's eye, opened its gut, and left it twitching on the floor. Why do you think humans have a monopoly on killing animals? At least we have some justification for it, and typically try to do it quickly and painlessly.
Don't get me wrong—I'm not in favor of killing cats. I'm actually in favor of their survival, which is why I'm saying that you shouldn't let it wander off unsupervised into a place where it's likely to get killed.
You mean like the cat that kills all manner of wildlife for no reason?
I mean yeah that sucks that can happen with coyotes, but dude if cats are damaging your stuff it's because you're a dick to them. They are smart enough to know and to take it out on you. Also that's a great way to turn a minor dispute into a violent confrontation. Don't escalate shit just because you want to feel superior. It's not a rational response to kill your neighbor's cat.
If cats are damaging your stuff it's because you're a dick to them.
I've worked professionally with cats for over 7 years. I can confirm that cats will fuck with your shit no matter how you treat them lmao
See I've had the opposite experience. As long as there's a cat box in neutral territory, food, and water, and you let the cat lead on socializing with you, it's fine. People run into problems when they treat cats like accessories instead of animals that have their own thoughts, agency, and borders.
Of course there will always be exceptions but if a cat is fucking with you and only you then you made it angry at you.
You seem to be imagining these cats harassing But_my_mom_says_im_cool directly. He's complaining about property damage, not socialization problems. Cats are not crows. They do not remember when you're rude to them, and then decide to destroy your garden. They'll simply destroy your garden if it seems like fun
Yeah but so will any animal. As to the not crows thing I disagree. They absolutely remember and spray and poop your area.
It's fortunate that your experience with stray cats has been as positive as it's been, but anyone who's actually dealt with them knows you're full of shit
I think the difference is probably I have the luxury of not dealing with cats who don't want to interact with me. If you have to force them to do stuff then yeah it's going to suck.
Woah, is lemmy pro letting cats outside? It's so terrible for the cats and local wildlife why would you be in favor of it?
America-centrist I see
The hell does America-centrism have to do with this?
Because cats do not disturb ecosystems in most parts of the world, most notably not in the Americas
Cats are native to Northern Africa. They're an invasive species literally everywhere else.
Australia - https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/nov/12/from-beloved-pet-to-biodiversity-villain-what-now-for-australias-cats France - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/our-times/article/2023/02/18/the-common-cat-has-become-an-environmental-scourge_6016379_39.html A paper that lists other locations besides United States, like United Kingdom - https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pan3.10073
Bruh I've lived in Japan, Germany, and Qatar, and all those places had birds.
You fool, those are government spy drones!
Fuck! They fooled me AGAIN!
How do the cats know which country they're in?
Sure they don't.
you lock your cat up inside all the time? fuck you
oh they're a threat to local wildlife? our cat is too lazy to get off his ass and hunt anything, it will be fine. also there are many roaming cats in the neighborhood so it won't be a difference
Can you imagine if dog people let their dogs fuck off at night? They’d rightly be charged and have their pets taken away, what makes you special.
If your pet becomes my pest, I will deal with it as such. Not to mention all the dangers you’re risking your cat die to.
Really it’s a big case of entitlement, you think you’re entitled to use everyone’s property to entertain your cat, cause you’re too irresponsible of an owner to entertain and enrich your cat’s life at home
newsflash: a cat is not a dog
a pest? what do they do? they're just cats? i suppose you just hate animals? do you blame birds for "using your property" too?
Cats have caused dozens of extinctions in the new world alone. I'm not as familiar with old world regions, but I understand they're not exactly friendly to local wildlife there either. They're not "just cats," they're an apex predator that no ecosystem outside of Northern Africa evolved to deal with. You don't let zebra mussels into your local lake. You don't plant kudzu in your yard. Don't let your cats outside unsupervised.
idk where you live but where I live, all there is for a cat to hunt is a mouse or maybe a pigeon, and those animals are so abundant that they are a pest themselves
even then, many cats are too lazy to hunt anything, as they know their owner will feed them something way more delicious
I'm very curious where you live. It seems more likely that you're simply unaware of your ecosystem than that you live in a place with only to animals that cats prey on
Well there are more animals in the forests but it's too far away. Idk about other cats but our cat doesn't stray far from our garden so all it can hunt is things I see in my garden. Which is pigeons, bugs, maybe a rat, more pigeons and some other birds. I'm also pretty confident our cat never took the effort to even try to hunt any of those.
Newsflash: birds aren't cats either
If you're going to be an ass about it, at least have SOME logical consistency.
birds do more harm than cats: they poop everywhere
Nah
I found a chewed up cat leg the other day, a coyotes dinner, hope it was yours
Outdoor cats have a far shorter life expectancy and damage the local ecosystem. Why don't you care?
Not every place in the world is America, there are many places where cats are native, and dont get driven over as much because all is full of cars, i got mine to specifically damage the sorounding mice ecosystem because having the pest control there every six months is expensive.
"Many Places" umm no, not domesticated house cats.
And if you live in a place with native and wild small felines it's even more important to keep domesticated cats inside since they will compete for food or mix genetics by trying to interbreed and put the native wild population of cats in danger of diseases.
Cats originated in Egypt and spread across the world basically by humans. So unless you're in Egypt, cats aren't native to your ecosystem.
Your right humans spread them as semi wild pets to protect they food stock from rodents but for Europe that where the romans over 2000 year ago, so i would not say that they are a new emerging existencial thread for the eco system here, if that was the case it would have long colapsed lol.
Do you think 2,000 years is a long time? About how long do you think extinction events usually take?
This isnt an extinction event caused by a slow climatic change or something, in some places on earth its an invasive species and if you look up how fast/slow they cause damage than its in the range of tens to hundreds, not thousands of years.
This is completely faulty logic not backed by reality or even a single source.
Here is some further reading:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cats-kill-a-staggering-number-of-species-across-the-world/
There's plenty parts of America that are like that as well. A lot of areas, having an outdoor cat is almost necessary you want an outdoor garden, since otherwise the local rodents will just eat it all.
let
Lmao
Your cat has more control over you? Who is whose owner there? People who let their cats roam are entitled and irresponsible.
I had a beagle who always wanted out and roam. But my pet doesn’t make the rules so I kept him inside
Cats do whatever they want. Get one and you'll know.
I used to work at an animal shelter. I must have met thousands of cats in my time there. I never met a single cat that didn't get used to being inside 24/7. They could be sitting just feet away from a door leading straight outside, and they would not try to escape.
If your home is so hostile to cats that they're desperate to escape no matter what you do, you should probably not have a cat.
First, I have two.
Second, why should anyone listen to you when you admit that any cat can outsmart you? Lol
They do what you allow
Yeah, no. Cats are black hats. They'll keep looking for exploits.