Scientists call fraud on supposed extraterrestrials presented to Mexican Congress
Scientists call fraud on supposed extraterrestrials presented to Mexican Congress
The specter of UFOs and little green men visited Mexico City as lawmakers heard testimony from researchers suggesting the possibility that extraterrestrials might exist.
Supposed aliens landed in Mexico’s Congress but there were no saucer-shaped UFOs hovering over the historic building or bright green invaders like those seen in Hollywood films.
The specter of little green men visited Mexico City as lawmakers heard testimony Tuesday from individuals suggesting the possibility that extraterrestrials might exist. The researchers hailed from Mexico, the United States, Japan and Brazil.
The session, unprecedented in the Mexican Congress, took place two months after a similar one before the U.S. Congress in which a former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer claimed his country has probably been aware of “non-human” activity since the 1930s.
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It's so pathetic that all these UFO stories are being taken seriously by world governments. What's next? Will they turn down the lights in the capital and tell ghost stories?
See my comment above.. It’s not pathetic - these issues deserve to be looked at seriously. It certainly seems our governments take UAP seriously.
I’d encourage you to educate yourself and delve into the topic to gain a little more insight rather than just broadly dismissing it and handwaving it away.
So we have debunkable poor quality video and untrustworthy eyewitness testimony. Extraordinary claims DO require extraordinary evidence, and this doesn't mean that every poor quality cellphone video needs to be "taken seriously".
How about if some actual astronomers and biologists could weigh in? I wonder if people could elaborate on this "70% DNA similarity", because as-is it is a suspiciously well crafted bite-sized talking point that is easy to grasp on the surface, perfect for conspiracy nutters to latch onto and parrot without getting into the actual science.
I'd encourage you to educate yourself on basic logic and the scientific method, instead of gullibly accepting these claims without sufficient evidence.
I’m not discussing this guy and his alien body. It’s clear he’s not credible. So yeah of course, the 70% DNA thing is bs. I haven’t been discussing this guy in this thread.
I think you’re asking the wrong questions because you’re presupposing that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin (we may not require the expertise of astronomers).
These are not poor quality video - these are video taken by military cameras and radar systems which the Pentagon itself has released and discussed. Hundreds of trained pilots, including elite fighter pilots, reporting sightings over decades and decades - before the existence of advanced surveillance and drone technology. Obama stating in a television interview that things are flying in our skies and we don’t know what they are.
What we need is more transparency from the Pentagon and our governments in terms of what they have collected. We need access to the radar data of fighter planes (which as of right now is classified - no scientists have access). We need to know if UAP have ever been recovered.
Don’t you ever wonder what was shot down over Alaska and the Yukon this year? Canada’s defence minister clearly stated in her press conference that it was NOT a balloon like the one from the Atlantic coast that China confessed to - it was “an object.” Why are they concerned indigenous hunters may find it if it is innocuous?
These UAP either have large national security implications or they could be a completely new area of scientific study. These bare-bones facts warrant further exploration. And really if we never dreamed of exploring further we wouldn’t have many modern discoveries like the discovery microbes exist. That scientist was mocked by people too. We have to be willing to question our existing paradigms or we will never advance.
Or maybe they're just military secrets
You know, like they have been in the past.
Why wouldn’t the military just say that then?
“This was military technology tests and we will not elaborate further”
But they have not said that in these instances. Specifically, the orb video and tic tac videos are unknown. Why would the Pentagon itself release videos of something they know about if they didn’t want to comment on military secrets being tested?
So either the largest military in the world is shitting the bed and utterly failing to protect its own airspace and pilots from foreign military technology - and we should to figure out what it is; or the UAPs are something else, but the conclusion is the same:
We need to figure out what it is!
Figure out what it is? Sure, absolutely! But people are all jumping to the conclusions of aliens as soon as anything unknown is happening.
And for all we know, the US military may be intentionally trying to mislead the public, or whatever else. The US government already spies on everyone, it wouldn't be out of character for them.
You’re still not addressing the crux of what I’m saying.
The military itself is releasing videos and shooting things down. We deserve an explanation as to what happened. We can’t even talk rationally about these things as UAP. Surely we should agree that we should investigate claims of activity in our airspace witnessed by hundreds of pilots, commercial and military. I want to know about whether this threatens flight operations or my nation’s sovereignty if it is military in nature.
Could it be non-human intelligence? Sure, but that’s only one possible explanation, and we have to go through a lot of other mundane explanations before we get there. We can’t even begin to do that because for decades, also without providing proof - I might add, governments and militaries have mocked the central issue of unknown items in our skies and assassinated the character of civilians and former military who have come forward with their own experiences.
The people who tend to jump to the conclusion of “aliens” seem to be the ones distracting from taking this issue seriously and getting to the truth.
because the alien stories help keep the secrets, that worked well for area 51 for a long time
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
What’s your scientific peer reviewed explanation for the videos released by the Pentagon then, champ?
Pulitzer Prize winning journalists who broke the TicTac video to the NY Times are lying I guess?
Obama must have been smoking something when he said things fly in our skies and we don’t know what they are?
None of this is worth any sort of investigation?
The person making the claim is the one that has the burden of proof, Champ.
The only thing you've proven is your own gullibility.
I’m not claiming anything? I’m saying UAP deserve further investigation due to the fact that the Pentagon has released video on the subject, we’ve shot objects down without explanation as to what they were, and the former President of the US has spoken on this topic.
You’re trying to railroad any discussion of this for… reasons? Is not worth investigating things we don’t know about anymore?
"we've shot objects down without explanation as to what they were"
You mean like the balloons we shot down that were... wait for it...
Balloons?
Actually our Canadian Defence Minister held a press conference where she emphatically stated that it was NOT a balloon, and insisted on referring to it as an object.
Some people just don't want to risk looking like a fool and want to feel superior but it's worth investigating for the reasons you mentioned.
I don't know, but me not knowing something doesn't mean that any explanation is the correct one.
I’m not positing any explanation anywhere here. I’m just saying we should investigate UAP as a serious matter. And this dude and his stunt is not helping people take it seriously.
It’s not pathetic
Yes it is
these issues deserve to be looked at seriously
No they don't.
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Oh man look at the measured reasoning here. You sure convinced me!
If you think that's a serious issue, just wait until you hear about the escaped lunatic with a hook for a hand!
Good job not responding to any of the substance of what is being discussed. If people like you were in charge, we’d never have progressed past the Earth being flat or diseases being caused by humours.
It's all about the distraction..
Yep, less time to talk find real solutions about real problems like inflation, climate change, etc.
Only legislators seem to be taking this seriously not governments. I think it ties in to the rise of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Its being used as an approach to gain political favour amoung the populist right.
I never expected Watchmen to become a documentary.