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This is dumb as f.
Just make all male bathrooms gender neutral. Bam crisis averted.
Changing only men's bathrooms is just asking for backlash. Just make every toilet an individual unisex half bathroom with floor to ceiling walls and doors. A toilet, a sink, and a mirror. No more silent mode shits, no more pee shyness. If raising the national minimum wage only made products go up by a few cents some bathroom construction loans will barely do the same. I'll pay an extra 10 cents for my burrito... Oh that's right they already have individual bathrooms. Airports, malls, amusement parks, stadiums, music venues? ¯\(ツ)/¯ get gud
At work they put in a bunch of these during a renovation a few years ago. Only problem is we hit hard times and didn't renovate more bathrooms so these are far away. I make the trek over to them when I need to poop though. So much nicer than the men's room.
If they changed building code so all new buildings did that it would solve the issue. but my solution won't change existing infrastructure. Its just a sign change.
because the point is still to impose arbitrary rules on us that force us to out ourselves so that we can be more easily identified and hate-crimed, and that user's tone-deaf fake-ally talk-over-the-queers-not-to-them clownworld-ass reply to me elsewhere in the thread makes it painfully obvious.
It's not dumb. It's exactly what they want: to remove trans people from public spaces entirely.
I would consider arbitrary rules that are intentionally impossible to follow based on hate is very very dumb.
Yeah that works, but often male toilets currently only have one stall. Would need to shift that balance for this to be an effective strategy.
Or north Carolina where no stalls in bars. I guess men dont poop.
Do you want drunk people shitting in the urinal? Because this is* how you get drunk people shitting in the urinal!
no trans women would still get the shit beat out of them by phobes, because they outed themselves going in the "neutral" bathroom instead of the women's, and cis women who look "too masculine" would still be harassed (and worse) for using the "wrong" bathroom.
this is not a solution, this is just ignorant as hell about the actual problem, which was never actually about which bathroom people use. you should listen to trans people instead of whatever pussyfooting milquetoast "totally apolitical" white guy podcast gave you this stupid ass idea.
Sounds like recipe for jail time for the phobes. we all know the transpobes just want to hurt "the trans" but use the "protect women" as their bs message. My take fine then "take up the mantel" put them with you a-hole. If you melt like a snow flake or lash out it just proves how pathetic you are and it wasn't about "protecting" anyone just cruelty.
Besides there are legitimate reason why women would want to use another bathroom as an option. Ever see the women vs men bathroom line? Way longer on avg. Sometimes you got to go and jail time for going is bs.
This story is literally a story about someone following your "advice". A trans man used the bathroom transphobes would legally require him to use. Phobes melted down. Hurled slurs at him, threw him to the ground, screaming, yelling etc. The trans man got arrested.
The phobes weren't "proven to be pathetic". The phobes were empowered, because they got someone they hate arrested, despite that person doing nothing wrong. The trans man, following the law though, ended up in gaol overnight, was legally barred from entering that bar again, and got a fine for disorderly behaviour.
Your advice just gets trans people hurt, and does nothing to the phobes except empower them. It's easy to offer advice from the sidelines, when to you it's all just about the purity of the idea. But your idea is worse than useless. It's actively harmful.
after going back and forth with that guy i'm pretty sure he's just here to troll. nobody is actually that stupid and tone-deaf.
No my advice is use not the bathroom for the chromosomes you have. Im cause its a catch 22 and we all know it. The current law is hard bs and intended to be. Change the mens bathroom to gender neutral and there is no more catch 22.
your idea is bad and you've been told why. you don't want to listen to trans people at all, and you keep letting phobic rhetoric slip while advocating for stupid fucking shit that would fix nothing and only end in us getting hurt.
it's really clear that you're a hateful bastard here to play games, why the pretense? are you really that much of a coward you nazi shithead?
Gender neutral bathrooms exists right now. All I want is to expand them to every building by replacing the mens room with a sign change. This way no one goes to jail. I had no idea nazis cared so much expanding gender neutral bathrooms everywhere.
Sounds like recipe for jail time for the phobes.
also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA if that happened we wouldn't fucking be here you absolute nob.
As if people dont get arrested for hate crimes.
number one, women can be phobes too. it's not restricted to men, as you weirdly imply.
number two, even if we ignore that and roll with the weird and blatantly false assumption that only men are transphobes... the solution is to force trans people to use the bathroom with the very people who want to hurt us?
if you care about trans rights you should listen to us on this and not double down on paternalistically explaining why your this deeply ignorant non-solution is best for us.
your outlook on the issue is complete nonsense with no bearing on reality, and you're about as wrong as it's possible to be on why trans people using bathrooms is an issue to begin with.
here's the big hint for you again since you missed it last time: it ain't about us using the bathroom and never was. it's about other people making trouble for us any way they can. and here you are arguing that we, the victims, ought to have rules imposed on us that would obviously make us even less safe, for our own safety?
wherever you're getting your ideas about queerness and queer issues from, stop it. they're making you look like the stupidest fucking jackass i've ever communicated with.
TERFs exists sure. They weren't a factor in anything I considered. Cause its not their bathroom in the concept.
the solution is to force trans people to use the bathroom with the very people who want to hurt us?
Just swap "trans" with "colour" and Imagine seeing this statement a few decades back when separate but equal was around in america. If fear of danger stopped them then people now would still be treated unfairly.
This way there is no legal repercussions and using existing infrastructure. If biological male transphobes got a problem with it they can learn to shut up like racists white folk did decades ago.