How can you apply "think before you speak" if it isn't feasible to pause for 15 seconds between every sentence you say mid conversation????
How can you apply "think before you speak" if it isn't feasible to pause for 15 seconds between every sentence you say mid conversation????
Lemmy, I have a problem. I fuck up social interactions incredibly frequently, far more often and severely than others do.
I will be speaking what I feel is casually and consistently, and the person I am speaking with will suddenly have a significant change in their demeanor and speech. It both makes me feel bad that they react this way and frustrates me that I made an incorrect interaction.
This doesn't really occur with people I don't know well. Rather, it occurs with the people I spend the most time with...my coworkers. I am forced to interact with them all day due to my specific job. With one of them, I would consider them to be my only friend.
I have noticed that they all have specific unspoken "triggers" of speech or behavior that I need to minimize or hide when in front of them. But there are always instances where I cannot recognize a pattern. And even when I can kind of figure out a pattern, I sometimes fail to implement it.
You know the phrase, "think before you speak" right? But how the hell does one apply that to large swaths of conversations that occur all day long? It would be incredibly jarring and odd for me to make large pauses between each and every sentence I make. Is there a better shortcut to this?
Here are some examples of "off limits" speech/behavior patterns that I have noticed among various people:
Coworker 1 - speech that shows mental weakness (esp anxiety), making a workplace error, anxious body language (this one is particularly difficult)
Coworker 2 - speech that shows mental weakness (esp anxiety), statements that are too negative, offering to let them leave work early
Coworker 3 - statements that are too negative, mentioning my dad, statements that may give them too much anxiety (sometimes difficult to discern), talking about coworker 1 too much in a negative way (even tho we both think coworker 1 is a removed)
Coworker 3 also has repeatedly told me that I can come to them with issues, but they always get upset if I say something too negative. They seem to occasionally ask me trick questions too like "are you ok?" even though I know I'm not supposed to answer truthfully. I don't understand this behavior or how to deal with it.
Coworker 4 - talking too much in general about any topic (they would just prefer I shut up tbh unless there is zero work)
Yes, there is some overlap among them, but they still have a lot of differences that are difficult for me to discern.
I mean, I guess the "easiest" solution would to try to never talk again outside of any speech that is immediately necessary to do my job. Coworker 4 essentially does this. But it is tricky to do and a bit depressing. As a human (I think??), I am unfortunately a social creature. And it does get a bit frustrating that I can't be authentically me.
Would appreciate some guidance. Sorry for the long post and thanks if you stuck around this far!
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I think you might be pretty close to the answer here: small talk. Conversation about stuff that isn't going to make anyone uncomfortable. People at work aren't friends, but you're stuck spending lots of time with them, so try to find topics you're all happy discussing.
So:
speech that shows mental weakness (esp anxiety)
It depends how you phrase this. Generally, admitting weakness isn't something I'd do around coworkers, unless you're putting limits on what you'll do ("I don't like closing up, I'd prefer not to") or looking for help ("I want to get better at X, can you tell me how?"). But that depends on the person.
statements that are too negative
Yeah. At work, be positive or don't go into the topic. If you think a coworker dislikes a thing and you want to bond over hating it, don't go first, get them to show you how far they're willing to go, then don't go further.
making a workplace error
I dunno what to say about this. Ask for help at getting better? Apologize for screwing up? Otherwise I wouldn't mention it again.
mentioning my dad
Again, keep conversation positive and light. If you're bitching about your dad, don't. If you're saying what a great guy he is and they still get uncomfortable, just avoid the topic.
talking about coworker 1 too much in a negative way
Don't do this. In the best case scenario, you bond over hating a coworker. In the worst case, the workplace becomes toxic. Accept that you're stuck dealing with coworker 1 and move on. At most, acknowledge that coworker 1 can be difficult, but move on.
So. Smalltalk. Find stuff to talk about that nobody is gonna have strong negative reactions to: TV, streamers, sports, weather, traffic/transit, local events, weekend activities, happy family events. Avoid stuff that people have strong negative reactions to: politics, religion, painful topics, suffering, etc.
No, I fuck up even in small talk. For example, we were talking about supplements and exercising one day.
Coworker 2: Yeah, running a 10 minute mile is easy. Anyone can do it.
Me (a slow runner): What??? Idk dude that is kind of hard for me.
Coworker 2: Well for some people walking is healthier than running!
Me: What??? Ok sure, Coworker 2
Coworker 2: (angrily shuts down and refuses to say anything else to me for several hours even after I apologize)
Coworker 2 being angry with me was one thing. But I felt bad because coworker 3 was also chatting and it meant that they no longer got to speak either because coworker 2 was so mad.
Small talk with coworker 1 doesn't work at all because they will randomly randomly act condescending to you when you make a joke or say something that doesn't land exactly with them. It's a bit demoralizing so I try to interact with coworker 1 the least.
I don't outright tell coworkers 1 and 2 that I am anxious. But I will sometimes obsess over certain work things that I am anxious about and they get wise to it and get upset with me...even if what I am specifically doing to them is apologizing for acting weird because I was simply anxious.
I had considered coworker 3 to be my friend a bit tbh. But that is not supposed to be the case, right? We are not supposed to be friends or anything. I am supposed to find friends elsewhere and not think of them that way, right?
If people want to discuss serious topics with me then I'm just not supposed to contribute, right??
Me: What??? Ok sure, Coworker 2
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Small talk with coworker 1 doesn't work at all because they will randomly randomly act condescending to you when you make a joke or say something that doesn't land exactly with them.
...so are you coworker 1? Lol
I get that I am truly a horrible person, truly. I struggle with that every day. I did try to apologize to my coworker in that instance, but they were not at all receptive to it. Usually the things that I say that get reactions like that are much more innocuous...like letting coworker 2 know that they can leave early (we are salaried and still get a full days pay if we leave early). Or apologizing to coworker 2 that I was freaking out about a work related task simply because I was anxious about it.
But no, coworker 1 is on a level that is difficult for me to describe. Coworker 1 causes issues with almost everyone they come in contact with including the leaders of many different departments. It has been so bad with coworker 1 that they have made me think that I was going to get fired and/or made me want to quit my job. Coworker 1 has had multiple complaints filed against them to HR by multiple different people. To my knowledge, that has not occurred on my end at all.
So coworker 1 is a bit dangerous to interact with, hence many of us do so minimally.
Look, communicating awkwardly doesn't make you a horrible person. I think part of it is you have a confidence problem. It sounds like you always cowtow to your coworkers' reactions, even going so far as apologizing when you haven't objectively done anything wrong (your responses don't seem that weird, but maybe it is the way you say things). It seems odd to me that anyone would be offended by an offer to go home early, unless you're making it seem like you specifically don't want them to be around.
At the end of the day, your coworkers are just people with their own issues and imperfections. They are probably not experts at communication either, so don't treat them as such. I would not take any social cues from coworker 1.
You may not be able to change the dynamic at work, so my advice is to find a way to socialize outside of work (with people who actually like & respect you!). That way you won't have to rely on your workplace for those needs.
I had considered coworker 3 to be my friend a bit tbh. But that is not supposed to be the case, right? We are not supposed to be friends or anything. I am supposed to find friends elsewhere and not think of them that way, right?
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or genuine.
If it's genuine: congrats on finding a new friend. Don't cut them off because an internet rando said something.
If it's sarcastic: it's inappropriate to react to advice that you solicited in that manner. Since I'm being honest, it's more appropriate to honestly state where you disagree, and why the advice doesn't work for you. That way I can better understand your situation.
Coworker 2: Yeah, running a 10 minute mile is easy. Anyone can do it. ...
If someone is full of shit at work, I'd just nod and smile. Unless there's something to be gained by calling them out, I'd just note that they are uninformed on that topic and move on.
If people want to discuss serious topics with me then I'm just not supposed to contribute, right??
Again, I'm not sure if this is sarcastic or genuine. The two question marks, and the "right" make me think it's sarcastic, but I could be wrong.
Either way: talk about what you want. However, if you want to keep things civil with your coworkers, it's easier if you avoid divisive topics.
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Keep conversation away from your beliefs until you know where the other person stands.
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Ask questions. People like talking about themselves, so that's an easy way to keep things moving.
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Make noncommittal statements.
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or genuine.
I apologize if anything came off as sarcastic! I am being very serious in my questions. I don't really understand how any of this works. I have been reading the replies but it's tricky to respond to them all.
With the friend thing, there are a lot of philosophies people have about work. Some people believe I shouldn't speak and should only work all day, while others seem to prefer to chat once in a while. For me, it's difficult for me to know the most correct way to act in terms of these two philosophies. It seems like a lot of society would like the former...that I should speak minimally and just do my work. I struggle with the former philosophy because you spend most of your waking hours working, so I would like to get some enjoyment out of it. But that is wrong, no? I am supposed to hate my job and just be a good worker bee, no? It's tricky because humans are social creatures but I know I'm not supposed to feed my needs like that.
And like the person who I had considered to be a friend. They have a busy life outside of work so it's wrong to bother them, correct?
The person who I had considered to be a friend sometimes likes to talk about serious topics. But I am not really sure what to do when that comes up because I at times give the wrong answers. I know a lot about their beliefs. We have different ones and usually that's perfectly ok and I we don't really argue or anything. But sometimes I still do it wrong or say something with too much emotion in my voice or something.
If someone is full of shit at work, I'd just nod and smile. Unless there's something to be gained by calling them out, I'd just note that they are uninformed on that topic and move on.
They weren't actually full of shit...they are just super fit and don't realize that they are a bit outside the norm.
So one of the things I've noticed is that I slipped up like this because it was in the middle of a flowing conversation. I didn't stop to realize that I was about to say the wrong thing because we were having a lot of back and forth lighthearted chatting. That's why I've brought up this topic to begin with tbh. If I am not in a flowing conversation, it's easier for me to pause and think before a response. When I am in a conversation I fuck up. I don't know anyone who pauses between each sentence even utilizing this "think before you speak" attitude, so I'd like to find out how to implement it in a better way. Idk.
I do appreciate your time.
Hey, thanks for taking the time to respond. I'm enjoying this because it gives me a chance to understand my own beliefs. And it's fun to spout off.
Some people believe I shouldn't speak and should only work all day, while others seem to prefer to chat once in a while. For me, it's difficult for me to know the most correct way to act in terms of these two philosophies.
There's no correct answer here. You've expressed a preference for chatting, so let's support that.
We have different [beliefs] and usually that's perfectly ok and I we don't really argue or anything. But sometimes I still do it wrong or say something with too much emotion in my voice or something.
Occasional or friendly disagreement is fine, so long as it doesn't poison the relationship.
Could you pause before replying to sort out your feelings? If you're concerned that you have too much emotion in your voice, that could give you time to notice your emotional state and dial it down. You could even turn the disagreement into more of a joke or quip rather than something heartfelt.
You can use your pause as part of the conversation. Give a thoughtful "huh" or maybe start with a throw away phrase of "I hadn't thought about that" and then pause.
Some people are in a hurry to say their piece - they really wanna get their thought or idea in. In my experience, it's helpful not to do that. It's difficult though.
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There is no 'supposed to' about making friends with people you work with. Some may have that opinion but lots of people have made friends with coworkers. Sure if the friendship goes sour it could get awkward at work, but lots of people can navigate friendship without drama.
It's hard to tell nuance from a text rendering of that conversation, but it potentially sounds like you were rude to coworker 2, reacting dismissively to their comment.
If your chats are as innocent as the running topic then don't mind their issues. Nobody can know what someone's state is that makes them sensitive to random triggering.
As for what others said about bullshitting about someone behind their back or being overall negative, you can work on those.