Joe Rogan Nods Along As Mel Gibson Claims His Friends Were Cured of Stage 4 Cancer By by ivermectin, fenbendazole (another animal dewormer), and methylene blue (a fabric dye)
Joe Rogan Nods Along As Mel Gibson Claims His Friends Were Cured of Stage 4 Cancer By by ivermectin, fenbendazole (another animal dewormer), and methylene blue (a fabric dye)
Mel Gibson told Joe Rogan that several of his friends were cured of stage 4 cancer with alternative medicines like the horse dewormer ivermectin.
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I'm not defending idiots saying it cures cancer, but people dismissively calling ivermectin a "horse dewormer" when it's approved for human use for all sorts of parasitic diseases is something that grinds my gears. It actually is something of a wonder drug, just not for what these idiots keep claiming.
Methylene blue is an approved drug too, (the first synthetic drug, coincidentally) it's used for cyanide poisoning amongst other things. It's also a MAOI, which makes it dangerous to take with a bunch of common medicines.
The horse dewormer thing iirc comes from the fact that ivermectin is a prescription drug, and doctors obviously wouldn't prescribe it for covid. So people resorted to one of the very few ways you could still purchase it: as the horse dewormer variant.
Of course this version is much stronger and intended for horses, not humans. IIRC this led to a few hospitalisations and even deaths.
That's why when people advocate you should take ivermectin, the counter claim is that they're telling you to take horse dewormer, since that's the only way to get it. It's not out of a general 'disrespect' for ivermectin.
Are ivermectin's feelings hurt when it's disrespected? Or does it kind of get off on it? And why are all these people posting at great length to remind us all that it has some other use than the one we are talking about?
Presumably to avoid people from believing the opposite: that Ivermectin is a quack drug that doesn't do anything, which might lead them to reject the drug if prescribed for some parasite or other ailment that is treated by ivermectin.
I'm pretty sure there were actually some doctors who were prescribing it
There's a depressingly non-trivial number of doctors who aren't above making a quick buck through quackery.
Yeah, and those (handful of) people were not taking horse dewormer.
Everyone else on ivermectin though...
Yes, and most were disciplined because they were describing medication that was not intended for nor effective at treating covid. Still, there were very, very few doctors who did so.
It actually is something of a wonder drug
And it worked wonders on COVID patients who actually had parasites in the "throw everything at the wall" period. Word got out some patients had improved because of it. It became a whole thing because doctors didn't got the same results with ivermectin in others trials, probably because their patients didn't have parasites, and ruled it out as the COVID cure. Arm chair viral experts refused to believe it and made it a conspiracy, and from there on became a cornerstone of anti vax and right wing politics. Of course right wing commentators now make it the cure for cancer.
People are literally buying it from Tractor Supply when doctors won't prescribe it. That's why people say horse dewormer. It is literally horse dewormer they are taking.
Sure, but still a false equivalence and a strawman at best. The few people who bought horse dewormer to get ivermectin doesn't discredit those who "smartly" bought the correct human dose for ivermectin.
When most conversation is asynchronous, it usually turns out:
[Ivermectin Mentioned]
"That's horse dewormer."
[Person internally: No it's not, it's a real drug. Scrolls past your conversation thinking 'this person doesn't know what they're talking about']
Both people then go away having learned nothing.
The fun fact about Methylene Blue that always is a hit with students is it also turns your pee a green/blue-green color.
yeah, but don't give it to someone on antidepressants, the mixture can lead to serotonine syndrome, which is a medical emergency
And taking it along with various psychedelic drugs can extend the trip, often far beyond what any sane person would want. MAOIs inhibit one of the pathways the body uses to clear those drugs from the bloodstream. Instead, they hang around.
in this corner, the challenger, using a B vitamin complex.
And our returning champion, Methylene Blue!^DING!!^
Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it's rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.
Weekly? I feel like people were taking it far more often than that. And massive doses.
My boss and the secretary were squeezing it into their applesauce every day.
The secretary was the same person who complained the doctors caught her trying to sneak it into her mom's hospital room and was trying to squeeze some in her mouth while intubated and said she needed to get her mom out of there to got a real Jewish hospital that would let her do it and cure her mom.
Both sad and funny stupid.
My boss would end up packing his entire family and their stuff from their house that would fit into his F150 truck and flee Florida to Texas for "More Freedom™"
Was your boss dodging some creditors, by any chance?
That’s what the blue is for
I personally know/knew one of the main guys promoting Ivermectin in the news and on rogan. It was 100% a grift and he knew it. The point wasn't the medicine but subverting public health efforts. That is why it is derided as horse dewormer.
Same with ketamine, horse tranquilizer. Also a powerful fast acting anti depressent among a other very positive qualities
Also it'll burn the lining of your bladder and make you piss blood. And dissociatives including ket are nasty, dirty drugs that cause lots of mishaps when used in non-clinical settings.
It's because they buy the veterinary products as a way to circumvent existing reasonable limits for human use of ivermectin. It's implicitly against doctors' recommendations and prescriptions.
Alternatively, they're buying ego-boosting pills/pastes that feed the fantasy that they're special/chosen people who are in the know about "secrets hiding in plain sight" like a common antiparasitic drug having incredible curative properties.
Thank you for this. I hate all the caveating you have to do on the internet, but this taught me something I didn't know and now I'm slightly less of an idiot :)