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what's the best strategy to follow with a new boss who wants me dumbed down?

I couldn't come with a better title.

As previously explained, I changes wards, a doctor working for more than 35 years at my old unit wrote me an excellent recommendation letter and I went my merry way to my new ward, hoping to find something new.

I introduced myself to nurses and some doctors there. Because the nurses were yelling and punching tables, something I'd never seen from nurses, I started a conversation with the doctors about what abbreviations they use there (completely foreign to me), if they allow their nurses to take blood samples or arterial and venous blood gas probes, to decide if a patient needs blood cultures, to do an EKG without consulting a doctor first, what emergencies they have there...

I had lucky with one of the doctors who answered all my questions.

The next day, my new boss comes to me saying people complained about me talking to the doctors, accused me of playing being a doctor.

I asked if the doctor who answered my questions, Schimdt, complained. My boss refused to identify the person who complained.

My reaction to that was to say that this person could have talked to me instead of escalating, I also told my boss that I'm going to ask no matter what because I want to be a better nurse and the best suited people to do that are doctors (because most of the nurses only want to gossip, whereas doctors are more cerebral and explain correlations, I didn't say this out loud).

His answer was telling me to stop talking to the doctors, otherwise there would be consequences.

2 hours after he left an Anesthesiologist I didn't know came to check some PCAs, so me being me, started asking questions about the device and given that I'm thinking about studying medicine I asked about it and he told me where he studied, what he did afterwards, started showing me the documentation anesthesiologists use.

This is something I cannot avoid, I like talking to smart people. My new boss seems to be like my old one, only wanting dumbed down nurses.

Other nurses I asked at the unit told me that no, I'm not supposed to be smart, but just a drone.

It's ridiculous I have to censor myself. The best I can think of is to play theatrics while he's at the unit but be me when he leaves.

If you claim I'm talking to the doctors as an excuse not to do my job, you are wrong. I need the money and I use my downtime to learn.

It's true that people believe what they want to believe and judge you in 5 seconds.

Is there a better strategy than playing theatrics?

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I'm looking for a no frills, physical key EV. Am I looking for something that no longer exists?

cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/2362831

> I don't know how extended this is, but apparently there are car makers selling cars with no keys. Instead you download a proprietary app and use it to access your car. > > I like being practical and talking to a car to turn the volume up or down, to open the door or to turn the temperature higher are things I don't need nor want. Give me mechanical levers, reachable stalks and no proprietary bloatware. I don't need a movie theater on wheels. > > Imagine an early 2000s car running on an electric motor. That's what I want.

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I'm looking for a no frills, physical key EV. Am I looking for something that no longer exists?

I don't know how extended this is, but apparently there are car makers selling cars with no keys. Instead you download a proprietary app and use it to access your car.

I like being practical and talking to a car to turn the volume up or down, to open the door or to turn the temperature higher are things I don't need nor want. Give me mechanical levers, reachable stalks and no proprietary bloatware. I don't need a movie theater on wheels.

Imagine an early 2000s car running on an electric motor. That's what I want.

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how is it to work everyday but Wednesdays and Thursdays?

cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/2326733

> as a new job "perk" at a hospital I get to choose what days I work: because I get differential if I work weekends, I wrote I want to work everyday but Wednesdays and Thursdays. > > Now I wonder if I should have chosen Mondays and Fridays. On Mondays people act all stressed out (beginning of the week) and on Fridays they're also insufferable (they all want to go home ASAP) > > I've never inverted my weekend like this so if you ever worked like I'm about to, how was it? Any drawbacks?

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how is it to work everyday but Wednesdays and Thursdays?

as a new job "perk" at a hospital I get to choose what days I work: because I get differential if I work weekends, I wrote I want to work everyday but Wednesdays and Thursdays.

Now I wonder if I should have chosen Mondays and Fridays. On Mondays people act all stressed out (beginning of the week) and on Fridays they're also insufferable (they all want to go home ASAP)

I've never inverted my weekend like this so if you ever worked like I'm about to, how was it? Any drawbacks?

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would you use downtime at a new workplace to learn? (nursing)

A conversation with a senior physician triggered this question. He's been 35 years on the job and recently wrote me a letter of recommendation.

I'm changing wards due to drama and a manager who only wants gossip, dumbed down nurses at her unit.

This is a physician I've only talked to like 5 times in the 18 months I've been working at my old ward, somebody every other nurse at the unit told me to leave alone, because he's a senior physician (yes, that was the reason).

My former manager put a bare C on my performance review, something I didn't sign, so I asked this doctor to write a short text numbering my duties and what I can do to show my new ward but he wrote a full fledged letter of recommendation instead.

What the doctor told me while signing it: you're good at informing patients and take the extra step sensing what analysis they need, I've never had a nurse with so much positive feedback from so many patients, you're never gonna be a good fit here because the manager is a gossip and she controls the unit and you don't talk much, if you ever want to work PACU, tell me as I know the senior doctor there. Keep doing what you do, you'll find a good fit eventually.

I've already used downtime to read and learn, but nursing being gossipy and catty, all I achieved was being accused of being lazy, unfriendly, neglecting patients and a conversation with mentioned gossip manager, because she always believed her friends over me. She never asked me for my side of the story, but accused me directly.

Back to the doctor's conversation: keep doing what I do means reading and learning during downtime at the workplace: first thing I want to do at my new unit is showing them the letter of recommendation and explaining I want to learn and I learn better alone, when I read.

I also want to tell them I'm not a talkative person (meaning I don't care about drama or gossip), but I really don't know how a group of mostly women who don't know me can react to that.

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if you watch the pitt, what do you make of Dr. Trinity Santos?

I don't understand why a smart person acts so condescending to anyone she perceives to be inferior to her while at the same time needing so much attention from a preceptor she apparently considers to be over her (the doctor she accidentally stabbed on the foot).

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if you work at a gynecology ward, is gossip there way worse than at other wards?

I've been offered a position as a nurse at a GYN ward and I don't know if I should take it:

New ward, a chance to learn new things.

But also potential for drama way worse than everything I've experienced so far.

Last so 'female' unit I worked at was obstetrics at another hospital and it was like being on a show about mean girls: territorial, emotional, gossipy, interrupting report to gossip, ignoring report completely, playing favorites, rules for me but not for thee... not worth it.

what should I do?

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what works for you to learn large numbers of technical / medicinal jargon?

cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/2267705

> I'm a nurse thinking about expanding my job options and knowledge, maybe studying something. I don't want to work bedside till I'm old enough to cash in my 401k because then I'll have a broken back and I don't want to become one of those old angry nurses constantly on edge because she's angry at life. > > To me, the way to achieve this is to learn a lot of things systematically: medicines (not the brand names, but the active components, because doctors where I work use components extensively), diagnoses that are often abbreviated, right anatomical names for bones, muscles and blood vessels..., right ranges for arterial and venous blood gas parameters and clinical chemistry... > > It's tedious and repetitive and I don't want to take any drugs to study better, but I believe it fits me because I was always an introverted bookworm. > > Is there any better way to learn this than the way I just described? It means 3 hours of reading and repeating concepts and ranges after my shift.

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what works for you to learn large numbers of technical / medicinal jargon?

I'm a nurse thinking about expanding my job options and knowledge, maybe studying something. I don't want to work bedside till I'm old enough to cash in my 401k because then I'll have a broken back and I don't want to become one of those old angry nurses constantly on edge because she's angry at life.

To me, the way to achieve this is to learn a lot of things systematically: medicines (not the brand names, but the active components, because doctors where I work use components extensively), diagnoses that are often abbreviated, right anatomical names for bones, muscles and blood vessels..., right ranges for arterial and venous blood gas parameters and clinical chemistry...

It's tedious and repetitive and I don't want to take any drugs to study better, but I believe it fits me because I was always an introverted bookworm.

Is there any better way to learn this than the way I just described? It means 3 hours of reading and repeating concepts and ranges after my shift.

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work related: is this something only an autistic would ask?
  • Since you just said “ok” without explanation or complaint, and then hung up, thats very matter of fact, straight to the point, and lacks the more emotional response most neurotypical people would have.

    because I don't want drama and when I work I get, as you put it, straight to the point. Why wasting words and time? What do I achieve if I yell and insult back? I become a moron yelling to another moron.

  • work related: is this something only an autistic would ask?
  • me: Hi, I'm A and tomorrow I'll be working with you. Can you tell me how many patients do you have today at the unit?

    her: what for? (she sounded exasperated).

    me: I want to know how much I have to work.

    her: are you stupid? (aggressively)

    me: I beg your pardon?

    her: are you stupid? [insert rant here she started I didn't listen to because when people yell at me I disconnect and if she already made up her mind not to answer me, why bother? Plus, how many of you can have a conversation with somebody yelling at you?]

    me: fine [I hung up]

  • work related: is this something only an autistic would ask?

    on one of my lasts posts, most of the people that answered agreed with the idea I'm on the spectrum. I don't know. I don't see anything wrong being myself.

    I'd just like some serious answers from neurotypicals explaining to me why my question triggered my coworker so much:

    Manager called me to ask if I can take an extra shift at a different unit because they're short staffed due to illness. I agreed.

    Because that unit sometimes overfills and nurses there have to take care of more patients than the ratio agreed with the union I called the unit to ask how many patients they do have today, to have an idea if my shift tomorrow is going to be an easy or a difficult one.

    The coworker started yelling and calling me an idiot and using some other choice words, so I said "ok" and hung up.

    I didn't yell at her, I simply asked the question in a neutral tone, and I still don't get the animosity.

    20 minutes later the same person calls to inform she called our manager and tomorrow I don't have to work at that unit.

    All this stupid drama because I asked how many patients they have? I simply don't get it.

    Am I really this autistic?

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    Job related: Am I being stupid?

    I'm a nurse. I recently wrote about how I've discovered this job can be enjoyable, provided ratios are respected, I don't work with gossips, micromanagers and drama queens. I also like working with doctors that explain to me how things work and as a novelty, I've started reading on my free time about diagnoses, procedures and medicines.

    Option A: go to my new unit and do the same.

    Option B: patient transporter. I'd earn the same, I wouldn't have any boss over me telling me what to do except if I lazy around and I wouldn't have to run as I sometimes do as a nurse. No drama of any kind (I'd be alone most of the time), ample opportunities to sit and read, drink coffee or do nothing while waiting for my next assignment, other opportunities to learn while watching procedures being done to patients.

    Yes. It really is this relaxed. I shadowed already.

    My old self always though a job is a job and I should aim for maximum income doing the less amount of job I can. I'm also an introvert and enjoy being alone. This second job seems to offer exactly that.

    Except that I'd miss learning from the doctors that have shown an interest in teaching me and the adult nurses (the ones not acting like children, the gossips).

    I really don't understand myself. I feel I'd be dumbing myself down, but otoh earn the same I do now.

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    do managers value if you're an engaged employee even if you had/have a bad reputation?
  • FYI, the medical community is one of the worst from the popularity contest perspective.

    could you write examples of is worse here than in other industries? Are some units worse than others? Some regions worse than others?

    promoting team cohesion and performance is one of our primary responsibilities, as is stepping up and leading when necessary.

    are you a nurse or doctor working in a hospital?

    I don't agree with your last part: it's not my fault that a unit is controlled by lazy gossips and the manager does nothing to make a more welcoming workplace for the quiet, working ones because she either is too coward to confront the lazy bullies or enjoys the attention or believes she is not going to find better employees. I do not work with people like that anymore, nor do I socialize with these kind of people, neither it's my job to promote performance and my paycheck sure reflects that. That's a manager's job.

    I take this job as seriously as my coworkers. If they go smoking for an hour and let me alone to take care of the whole unit your model fails. If they spend their first 90 minutes consciously not working but gossiping and I'm the only one checking vitals and charting your model fails. If the popular and lazy ones control the narrative and paint me as the uncooperative nurse while I work and they do nothing and the manager believes them over me your model also fails. To lead up I need to see that my coworkers know their shit and that they actually do that, something I hope to find at my new unit.

    This post might sound a bit abrasive, not my intention.

  • do managers value if you're an engaged employee even if you had/have a bad reputation?

    I changed workplaces within my hospital to a similar unit. I also tried applying to other units to see what's there but got rejected.

    I quit my old unit because I didn't feel supported or respected by management there, but doctors and half of the nurses are people I can work with and are actually people that helped me become a better nurse. I'm going to miss working with most of them. I'm ready to work with them again.

    Managers speak with each other, even if they publicly hate each other and 6 months ago I wasn't as good as I am today, something reflected in their internal memos. I'm on the introvert side and I'm quite sure I'm on the spectrum. I write this because a workplace is also a popularity contest and my old manager was an extrovert who always thought I didn't talk to her to spite her (I didn't talk to her because I wanted to work and she was a perpetual, boring nuisance). People forgive you if you're likable and for this manager I was not. Her favorites always got away doing less and were treated way less harshly than me.

    On my last week three coworkers told me separately I'm a good nurse, which surprised me, one even suggested to go to ICU. Nobody told me that at my unit. Ever.

    Shifts without management were a bliss: there was nobody there to bully or micromanage me. During these shifts I was more engaged, inquiring about medicines, diagnoses and explaining to patients what their vitals meant, what their medicines did or how they could help the patient to recover more rapidly. Most of the patients and families were not karens and were grateful. I also learned to make a quick exit with the karens.

    I'm going into my new unit with this attitude: keep learning, keep asking, ignoring the nurses who try to mob or to ridicule me for asking questions, gray rocking the drama queens and gossips, always telling the charge if a nurse who's supposed to teach me lazies around and wastes my time, to establish boundaries, to stop being a doormat, to ask the doctors to keep learning.

    I'm not doing this only for the money, but because I actually like knowing what medicines do, explaining patients what their EKGs mean and how the system works, even if it's broken.

    I think, however, some managers will never consider me due to the internal memo this first manager wrote about me and while I have a job, the only way to access better paying positions or ICU is if a manager vouches for you and writes a better memo or even a recommendation.

    That’s why I ask if managers see and value if an employee is engaged, even if he has a bad record, is an introvert, is a bit on the spectrum and doesn't want any stupid drama.

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    is this something you can say to a potential new manager? about giving report in a hospital when your shift ends
  • if OP isn’t masking then neurotypicals will likely see OP as rude, cold, or robotic.

    assuming that your post is in good faith, do you understand how tiring and ludicrous it is to pretend something you are not?

    Should we advice gays to pretend not being gay?

    It's not my fault some of my coworkers stopped growing up immediately after leaving high school. I just want to work and go home.

  • is this something you can say to a potential new manager? about giving report in a hospital when your shift ends
  • And folks who are neurotypical are going to find what you said a hard pill to swallow.

    why? are people really this thin skinned?

    fwiw these people I described are not the doctors, but like 40% of the nurses. Doctors are not the reason I quit, but these nurses are. I'm actually gonna miss working with some nurses here, the good ones, the drama free ones.

    Often in life you have to pretend to “fit in”, it’s just the price of living in a society.

    does that means listening to dumb stories I don't care about? My brain starts yelling me to leave.

    It would be bearable if they didn't act like children (another coworker, a neurotypical one if you like, told me that).

  • is this something you can say to a potential new manager? about giving report in a hospital when your shift ends

    I've got a new job as a nurse but I'm still comparing positions, maybe something better comes along.

    What I want to say to any of my potential new managers:

    > one of the reasons I left my old unit is how colleagues give report there: some give report about patients that are no longer there. I just don't get it. Patient is gone, it's not our problem anymore. Who cares where he is now? Give report about the patients I have to provide care to!

    > Some interrupt report to talk about what they did on the weekend or if the coworker only works 2 times per month, they give report about the 2 weeks they spent not working. It baffles me that they feel offended if I remind them they have to give report and can talk about their private lives when they're done. A report that should last 10 minutes lasts 40. It's tiring and I don't care about their lives.

    > Others, after giving report, remain in the room to loudly gossip about god knows what in the room... while another nurse tries doing her job and give report. If I remind them I cannot hear report, they feel offended. You do understand it's very difficult to get the information I need to do a good job under this circumstances.

    > Others interrupt their report to rant in minute detail how they transferred a very heavy patient or how they had to fixate an aggressive one. It's never a short rant, it's always a five minute one where some nurses feel they have to compete and tell an even more egregious story about other obnoxious patient. It's ridiculous. I just don't understand why they cannot move on, get to the point, give report and tell me what meds I have to give him if he has another crisis. I find this very tiring as well.

    > I really don't want to work with people like that. It's tiring and nursing doesn't have to be. I'd like you to pair me with the nurses who like to do their job, get to the point when they give report and go home with no drama involved. If after this conversation you feel that I'm not going to be a good match, then simply say it so, so neither of us wastes time and I keep looking for a unit with a better work culture.

    To me this makes perfect sense: I tell a potential employer what I need to work better while offering him the chance to be upfront and tell me if I'm a good or a bad match.

    Any drawbacks?

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    you are the democratically elected leader of a liberal democratic country which so far has had a good relationship with the US, how do you and your country survive 4 years of trump?

    countries I have in mind are most of the EU, east Asian and south American multiparty democracies, our neighbors Canada and Mexico.

    As I see it, these countries share with the US more than with other countries, like African, central Asian or south Asian countries, where liberal democracy and its practice only exists on paper. Up to now, we shared common values like the rule of law, free markets, freedom of the press, political liberalism, atlanticism for our security, our trust in science, institutions and facts... The US was an ally, an indispensable one you might add, even a benign one in some circles.

    Now this ally has turned to a bully in an incredibly short period of time: in less than a week trump has started bullying Denmark so they sell Greenland to the US, threatened about taking the Panama channel back, also threatened most of America's trade partners with tariffs if they don't do what he wants, pausing aid to Ukraine, in effect condemning that country to be absorbed by Russia within the next 2 years, he even wants an American flag on Mars... what for?

    I don't see why he thinks our trade partners wont also raise their tariffs to our stuff if we do so. What I also don't understand is why he blames the victim (Ukraine) and cozies up to putin. Not even Reagan would have done something like that.

    Autocrats in the world are sure having a good time watching our disunity work to their favor.

    I wonder what's going to replace the post WW2 and post cold war order, now that liberal democracy is being so successfully attacked from the maga right and people trust more what they read on their ecochamber than what centrist, established media report (I'm not saying that the Washington Post, NPR or the LA Times are neutral, but are more neutral that fox 'news' or 'news'max).

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    if you work night shifts, do you have a life? Are you healthy?

    I'm a nurse and I don't do night shifts. The few times I did it I earned a 150% differential but it's not worth the money: I'd go back home and have to use noise cancelling headphones to sleep, 'cause people are loud, I'd wake up rested at 04:00 pm, but completely destroying my circadian rhythm. I'd need a whole day or 2 to recover my regular rhythm because otherwise I'd be a zombie.

    I hear my coworkers who do night shift complaining about this same issue, but they still pick up night shifts, which I don't understand.

    To me it was impossible to have something akin to a life while working night shift, but I've met some people that only do night shifts: the housewife that only works 4 nights shifts per month, the single mother or young wife or husband who work 14 night shifts per month and have the next 2 weeks for him/herself...

    I don't understand why they do it. It's extremely taxing and not worth it imho.

    But if you do, how do you have a life? And how do you keep yourself healthy?

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    in 1994 Takeshi Kitano's Minnā yatteru ka! (Is everyone doing it?) we see a car dealer hitting a child's head with his parents present, but the parents don't react. Why is this funny in Japan?

    Our protagonist is a sex crazed young man who is convinced that the only way he can have sex is if he has a car, so he goes to a dealership to try several models, only to be treated like an idiot by the dealer, who only sells him overpriced crap. At least that's what I get from the movie.

    The dealer hits the same child in the head two times in the movie, both times when the dealer finds out the client is so gullible he'll pay anything for a status symbol so he can finally have sex, both times with the child's parents present.

    Is this a trope in Japan? Not the buy a status symbol to have x, but hitting a child in the head.

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    do you give employers or managers a second chance?

    I've been working at my hospital for 2 years already.

    I first applied to several wards in the same, huge hospital, most managers didn't bother to answer me, one agreed an interview with me, only to send me the second in charge, who told me about several units were I could work at, but he offered me no position.

    There was one manager however who made it easy for me to shadow several nurses in several units. She was my first manager.

    Long story short, managers started moving elsewhere, new manager comes in, I don't trust this new manager, applied to be transferred, yesterday my transfer was approved to another ward with a manager who seems to be nice, but everyone is nice 'till they stop being such.

    And I wonder if I should, sometime in the future, apply to those wards managed by the same people that 2 years ago rejected and outright ignored me, because it's always good to have a plan b on the back burner and I'm running out of managers within my hospital I haven't interviewed with.

    On one side: no, applying again is a waste of time as they made pretty clear what they think of you and people don't change. You are effectively blacklisted.

    On the other side... I don't know.

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    I'm transferring to another ward within my hospital and the whole thing feels odd. How do I sort myself out?

    on the one hand this is what I said I wanted. The truth is more nuanced: I'm not quitting the job neither most of my coworkers: I'm quitting my manager and some childish coworkers.

    on the other hand, why do I have the one to quit to keep my sanity? It's not fair.

    It sucks that the ones who give attention to the manager are the ones in good graces with her and that the quiet one who works when they go smoking and gossiping gets ignored, unrecognized and treated worse because he doesn't want to play office politics.

    A rational person would understand the difference between the things I can change and what I cannot change, but a part of me is still screaming for vengeance.

    What I said on other posts about being scared still applies.

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    how do I show a coworker that I care about her after her mother died?

    her mother died 2 weeks ago.

    I told her I'm sorry but after thinking about what to say I couldn't come with anything better than repeating sorry again. She then told me and another coworker how she died.

    I want to show her that I care but I don't want her mother's death to become the elephant in the room each time we talk.

    This is not romantic in any way.

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    what works for you to let go?
  • but don't you hate your life or makes it very miserable and tiring?

    I mean, expecting everyone to fuck me over would make me angrier I believe, like going to work and constantly ruminate about how every coworker and client is going to ruin my day.

    If you are a cynic, how do you don't ruminate?

    or is cynicism more 'no expectations no disappointments'?

  • to those of you not very talkative / introverted, how do you survive the constant pressure and misunderstandings from coworkers and future employers to open up, talk more?
  • Most of my co-workers don’t like me. My boss doesn’t even like me.

    if your boss makes clear he doesn't like you, why are you still working there and why don't you have plans to quit?

    I mean I don't understand why this is not a reason good enough to start looking for employment elsewhere. Don't you find it tiring? don't your coworkers and boss wear you down?

    If my boss makes clear he doesn't like me it's only a matter of time before he starts treating me differently, giving me the worse assignments, refusing to acknowledge me...

    This would affect me to the point of starting to hate that person.

  • have you ever had to confront a female mob at the workplace?
  • I’m guessing you cursed out a coworker and not for the first time.

    Not what happened.

    there's a difference between cursing the poor work done by a coworker and cursing a person that was there and wasn't responsible for the dressing.

    I don't understand why you choose not to see the difference.

  • In your career, have you found a drama free workplace?
  • do you have any advice for me, now that I'm applying and might work elsewhere? Is there anything I could ask during interviewing to indicate I loathe drama, people full of themselves talking politics or conspiracies or openly discussing how vaginas look like?

  • if you like doing your job and going home, how do you bear with coworkers who are lazier but more popular than you and get away with doing less?
  • yes, a very beautiful post.

    Lost_My_Mind: how do you do it? Because apparently I'm very thin skinned and overly political statements my coworkers blurt out trigger me or their boring marriage troubles bore me and I find myself trying to control me not to yell 'I don't give a f*ck about you, leave me alone', which of course earns me an invitation with management...

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