raghukamath @ raghukamath @lemmy.kde.social

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Yeah that is exactly what I am doing. I am on debian now. I do not have high hopes that these will be fixed any time soon. There is the issue of colour management too. But I can only hope that when debian ditches X11 these are solved. Otherwise windows it is for me and others who need these things.

That said it is not good to build a plane while it is flying you crash and endanger others. And it is perfectly reasonable to make people aware what kind of plane they are boarding. Mainly when so many people suggest fedora for artists and general people while it is not for them.

there’s a lot of things that need to be re-implemented in wayland and it currently sucks for a lot of people; but forcing change by pushing wayland onto the users is the only way forward, way too many people are comfortable with status quo.

People will make the switch is there is no issue. See how pipewire switch happened. I am not adamant about maintaining the status quo. By forcing people you are just punishing them for no fault of theirs. It is not like they are sticking to X11 because they are X11 fanatics. Give these people working alternative and they will switch in a blink of an eye.

It is always easy to say these things when you and your work is not affected. Tomorrow these people will switch to something else and say your computer is not bootable or for some reason you are not able to do your work due to that change will you say yes make the change I am happy?

For now it is just fedora ditching xorg, you are safe on Arch based and debian based distros.

So Plasma6 X.org has less graphic tablet settings, right?

Plasma 6 xorg might have the X11 KCm which is the most featureful configuration frontend for graphic tablet on linux. It is on par with windows and wacoms utility. KCM on wayland is not so much.

I would call that a regression and not a wishlist? You can for sure ask to tag those issues correctly.

I had changed the severity once but it was reverted back and then other discussion about this was not entertained you can check the bug reports see the comments marked as spam.

I understand that and henceforth I won't be suggesting any artist to use fedora. meanwhile it would be nice to get attention to these bugs.

The fallback is announcing this in the release notes, so users depending on removed features can wait with the upgrade until the issues are fixed or move to another distro.

Yeah I understand hence I won't be advising or suggesting any artist to use fedora :)

Yeah and i think x11 itself will be available until 2032 on redhat atleast , that is not the issue. Artist can use old distros too but it would be nice to see these things get attention after all linux is for everyone and not just for developers right.

No they have not ported old KCM but created a new one from scratch. Hence any shortcoming or lack of feature is considered as wishlist and extra thing to implement.

I am not against fedora pushing things and fedora helping in testing things it is its job as a test bed. Fedora does not give any fallback to people affected that is the issue. Again I do not use fedora now so that is not my issue what they do.

The plasma devs likely don’t have a graphics tablet to test on, so they rely on the community to find these issues and test the fixes.

Some of these things were communicated in 2019 (https://phabricator.kde.org/T11660) and again during artist and plasma developer meeting too. You can read about it here (https://phabricator.kde.org/T14971) So fedora is not the only medium by which bugs and requirement are conveyed to developers.

Yeah you are right and people who were using fedora will need to move distribution suddenly. Actually Fedora is a bad choice for production for this reason, we never know when fedora will ditch you and when we complain about this fedora fanboys will only say why did you choose fedora or they will say just change distribution. So taking that advice I already switched from fedora and I no longer recommend it for any artists use. After all there are bazzillion of distros to choose from.

Again as I said the post is not about fedora itself, it is about the false premise that unnecessary urgency fixes bugs, in this case it is did not do anything and this post is to get the people to notice these bugs to get them fixed

Yeah I know but they are also not providing any fallback for people hit by those bugs. Testing can be done without harming user workflows. And fedora punishing and forcing users will not get those bugs magically fixed. I am not sure some of these will be fixed now before fedora 40. Anyway Fedora can do whatever they want. My wish is to get these bugs more attention.