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The person the Guardian used as a source was almost certainly a Utah Republican. Eager to find a scapegoat, and willing to lie to avoid any reflection or accountability. The British Guardian was too credulous.

Hi Hell_nah_brother.

I object to your characterization of my post, but I don't plan to post articles that don't align with your vision for the community. It's good to see this community is not without a moderator.

It is not made to debate what form of state “israel” should have. It is not up to israeli people to decide this.

'No state' is a 'form of state' in the same sense that atheism is a religion. I think the author shares your opinion that it should not be up to the Israeli people to determine Israel's form of statehood. While the betrayal of Yiddish anarchists is not the greatest horror committed by Zionists, it is one of the tragedies worth reminding people about to better understand how we got here. Questions posed by the author to his Zionist audience are rhetorical. The letter is addressed to the demographic who might be ashamed by his words, but the message is not for them alone:

Do they know that there had existed great possibilities for Jewish-Arab understanding as well as for a large Jewish immigration, and that it was only the state-mania which destroyed these possibilities and led to war with all its attendant fears and dangers?

Instead of a large and peaceful immigration based on Jewish-Arab understanding, as we had proposed with the agreement of some prominent Arab leaders, we now have a mass-immigration exploiting the war-horror, occupying the villages and towns of the hundreds of thousands of Arabs who fled from their homes under fire, filled with fear of the victorious Jewish forces, a fear based on the horrible experiences under the victors. And the state is pleased: homes, business, properties, fields and gardens cultivated by generations of Arabs, all came as a mighty and blessed inheritance to the Jews.

As the letter was public, there is also a message embedded in the text to Palestinians - that you have an ally in resisting the state. When deciding whether I should post the letter here, I was emboldened by the banner for this sub:

In addition to adding to the list of tragedies, I thought it would be welcome to increase awareness of Jewish allies of Palestinian liberation, whose ideological descendants have a modern presence in the struggle against the Zionist state.

Thank you for your cooperation with our site's moderation.

Its usually called an Individual in Custody Trust Account, and it varies from state to state and there's a different system for federal crimes.

It seems like this is being prosecuted as a state crime, so you would go through the Utah Department of Corrections, usually with a money order. Follow the guidelines from the UDOC. Pay attention, if the case gets elevated to a federal crime, the procedure will change.

(Edit) If you don't want to deal with the bureaucracy of the prison industrial complex, you can donate to an Anarchist Black Cross organization. On the 21st of this month, several are hosting a fundraiser called Running Down the Walls, and you can give money pretty anonymously and in-person.

There's a good chance that Tyler will not be on their list depending on how his politics shake out, but you can be sure your money will go to someone in prison who would be happy to piss in Trump's breakfast cereal and who is not a white supremacist.

The way you're phrasing it sounds like victim-blaming here.

Celebrating Kirk's death is a form of political speech, just like burning an American flag.

Reddit has always used "free speech" as a shield for toxic content that brought in advertising revenue.

"We stand for free speech... we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits."

If they were participating in a platform that supported free speech, it wouldn't matter how 'toxic' they are. They were lied to.

I hope it doesn't surprise anyone it was banned. But let's not pretend its because they were toxic. The only reason Reddit has ever pumped the breaks on a toxic community that wasn't politically left is when they were dragged over the coals in the mainstream news about it and it threatened to hurt their advertising revenue.

TheDeprogram's ban is political censorship. If you don't embrace late-stage capitalism, it is not safe to build a community on Reddit.

“In honor of Charlie Kirk, a truly Great American Patriot, I am ordering all American Flags throughout the United States lowered to Half Mast until Sunday evening at 6 P.M.,” Trump posted on his Truth Social platform.

• https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/trump-administration-news-updates-today-latest
• https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2025/09/11/wisconsin-flags-to-fly-at-half-staff-for-charlie-kirk-per-trump-order/86091344007/

It sounds like you're the one in the market for a bridge.

Thank you for continually putting your account at risk for the benefit of the Fediverse.

There were lowered yesterday, and ordered to remain down for Charlie Kirk until Sunday. Memorializing Kirk's death is more important to Republicans than honoring the victims of Sept 11th.

You think these are pictures of the shooter walking to the overlook where he has stored a gun previously? Yes, that would be possible. It would still be strange that they were able to isolate pictures of the shooter arriving, but not leaving.

If their lead about a deer rifle in the woods is accurate, then it would be strange if these were pictures of the suspect given he is not carrying a rifle or any means of concealing one.

I'm pretty impressed with the WSWS take:

It is politically appropriate to condemn the killing, which accomplishes nothing progressive and actually aids the efforts of the Trump White House to attack democratic rights and erect a police state. But that is no reason to glorify the victim or cover up the bloodthirsty, bigoted character of his political perspective.

The Times editors claim, “Such violence is antithetical to America.” On the contrary, such violence is the stock in trade of the American ruling class, whether directed at striking workers, racial minorities, immigrants, or political figures deemed to be dangerous or merely inconvenient. It is barely a week since the president of the United States ordered the incineration of 11 people in a Venezuelan fishing boat, claiming, without offering any evidence, that they were drug smugglers and terrorists.

Matt Dowd was fired from MSNBC for much less.

Alright. What did you mean by “ignorance should not have a safe space there”?

Last week, a student at Texas A&M objected to the professor teaching about "transgenderism" in the classroom. The teacher was doing their job, teaching the scientific consensus. Instead of challenging the teacher's ideas, the student challenged the legality of teaching science. The student was ignorant. Instead of admitting ignorance, or even assuming their own competence and trying to argue their ideas, the student took the third route: threats of political violence. The student warned the teacher that police could come and force the teacher from teaching the truth.

Campuses should be very intolerant to ignorance like this student displayed. But instead the teacher, department head, and dean were all penalized for standing up against an enemy of free thought. That is the goal of this administration - to force indoctrination on American children, and shut down all the spaces where having discussions like this one we're having right now might open their eyes up to the lies they've been taught.

In a school, it should be safe to admit your ignorance.

I didn't write very much, and I clearly didn't write that you shouldn't be able to admit ignorance at school. If you actually care about reading and understanding what I'm saying, then this is your opportunity to demonstrate you can roll it back, tone it down, and read what I wrote again. If some of it is ambiguous to you, you can ask me questions.

It seems like you're looking for a leftist punching bag, and that will just make you look like another hateful violent right-wing brute. Are you afraid to talk about your beliefs? Are you afraid to talk about them anonymously and online?

Left-wing streamer Kyle Kulinski says Charlie Kirk was feuding with nazis to his political right before he was killed.

Right-wing pundit Clayton Morris shares rumor that Charlie Kirk was concerned Israel was going to kill him, and that he was wearing body armor when he was shot.

The speed of technological progress tends toward an exponential curve, and Frank Herbert understood and knew this, but wanted to write a serious medieval saga set in the distant future. The Butlerian Jihad was always a plot contrivance to explain why in the thousands of years of intergalactic civilization, human life is still recognizable to us, and still recognizable from their in-story ancestors.

But just because AI was treated as an enemy by fictional fascists, doesn't mean it was good. Fascists are enemies to other fascists. It's an ideology that is always seeking enemies, and will either invade outwards or purge inwards - but their enemies don't need to be 'good' or 'bad,' they only need to be 'other.'

It can both be true that a technocratic class using thinking machines would have dominated the human race, and the force that prevented their rule is a theofascist eugenic autocracy. The theme Herbert I think would have appreciated his readers noticing is that there is no real difference between a crushing totalitarian dictatorship under an inhuman technocratic class, and a crushing totalitarian dictatorship under a charismatic leader and a religious cult.

I mean, Kirk was on Gavin Newsom’s podcast in March and Newsom talked about how his kids loved Kirk. How his 13-year-old son refused to go to school because he wanted to stay home and meet Charlie. And if that doesn’t tell you how wide Kirk’s appeal is among young people I don’t know what would.

And look. A lot of people on the left also discount or ignore how young conservatives feel discriminated against in higher education. Rightly or wrongly, I’m talking about their beliefs, not the validity of those beliefs. Kids who come from red states with conservative Christian beliefs about sex, about gender, about what it means to be a man, they’re proud to go to college so they can earn a better living and do better for their future children than their parents did for them. And then they hit the culture shock of college and both students and teachers are telling them “everything you believe is wrong, you’re a bad person for believing it, and if you even try to argue for it we will ostracize you”.

There is no 'rightly or wrongly' -- what you're describing is indoctrination and brainwashing. They are and should be discriminated against, but not because of where they're from or the color of their skin, but because they have been taught wrong, and most importantly have been taught to see challenges to their beliefs as a threat. The purpose of a school is not to validate your pre-existing beliefs, but to give you a space to challenge your ideas and learn new ones. Ignorance should not have a safe space there, and people who do not come to learn should not feel welcome.

And ironically, part of the issue is a lack of empathy on the left. Instead of asking why conservatives believe these things and trying to understand how to convince them otherwise, the American left just wants to call them fascists and deplatform them. “It’s not my job to educate you” is smug and contemptuous and one of the nicer ways the left respond to conservatives.

No wonder you delete all of your comments. That's a pretty terrible take.

Or a jilted lover from his closeted life. Let's not jump to conclusions.