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Pretty much every day someone parks their car on the tram tracks and blocks our city's tram network from operating

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  • Yeah, I'm fully on board with income-based fines. The current ticket rates are a joke for high-income people — less of a fine, more like a pricey parking spot.

    • What does this button do?

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  • Exactly that. I got my own keyring while in elementary school.

    • Pretty much every day someone parks their car on the tram tracks and blocks our city's tram network from operating

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  • This scenario - in germany - would be 200 Euro for the citation ("Bußgeld"), just for using the phone while driving. The combined charges for negligent homicide should be much higher.

    • Pretty much every day someone parks their car on the tram tracks and blocks our city's tram network from operating

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  • Most trams I encountered cannot leave their tracks, except that specific Chinese one. Regardless of circumstances they usually are hope- and helplessly stuck. Switch is stuck? Well, every tram driver gets out to set it manually. Accident (even without cars)? Well it's not like you will drive around the site. Broken catenary? Out of luck, again. The system "tram" can hardly mitigate any faults or emergencies, therefore it is flawed IMHO.

    btw: Cars are not allowed to park (vulgo: banned) on the tram tracks. There is also plenty of tracks, where cars are not even allowed to drive on (seceded, underground or elevated).

    • Pretty much every day someone parks their car on the tram tracks and blocks our city's tram network from operating

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  • If you kill a person in germany by car, because you neglected your lawful duties (Sorgfaltspflichten) it is usually a case of §222 penal code (StGB fahrlässige Tötung/ negligent homicide), you'll get a penalty ranging from "Geldstrafe" (fine) up to five years, e. g. based on your neglect as with most other cases. In very specific cases (DUI, etc) the penalty for drivers is up to five years for endangerment alone! Implying a german bonus for manslaughter by car seems - ceterus paribus - not true.

    • Pretty much every day someone parks their car on the tram tracks and blocks our city's tram network from operating

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  • This seems to be in germany: There is already a 70 Euro fine for parking on tram tracks, someone has to report it though... Additionally the driver of the car is liable for civil damages which can reach thousands of euros, including full payment for alternative transportation by busses etc.

    You can argue as long as you want: In every one of those cars is probably an inconsiderate person but the whole concept of a tram is flawed. There is a practically unlimited amount of possible infractions, everyone makes a bad judgement at some time, but the tram simply cannot deviate like a few centimetres to the left. If you want a useful system on tracks you need to reduce complexity and burrow it underground or lift it up on stilts. And even then, every fault is potentially a dead stop of whole parts of the system. And i do not even account for the A****les who just don't give a shit or act on purpose.

    One might call for more repelling, more drastic measures, but one simply cannot prevent the simple everyday errors and lapses.