Robaque @ Robaque @feddit.it

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Well, you're not using the typical meaning of the word.

Communism is really just a "stateless, moneyless, classless society", built on the principle of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs". "Egalitarian" gets thrown around too but is considered inadequate by some for often meaning an equality of sorts between classes rather than the abolition of class.

"Commie" is just a derogatory word for "communist". The distinction you're making isn't really meaningful.

Stalin and Mao were Marxist-Leninists. Perhaps they truly believed that a "vanguard" party controlling a totalitarian "socialist" state was the best way to reach communism. History of course proved them wrong - the way that they structured their states and economies unsurprisingly resulted in state capitalism.

Idk enough about Orban but he strikes me to be the same as Putin, a totalitarian capitalist.

What do you think communism means?

Horseshoe theory strikes again

Lil meteor just arrived a little late that's all

Capitalism, etc.

Maybe he could even do a little VR prison tour

When you talk about communism, are you talking about marxist-leninist / socialist states, or communism the idea(l) itself? Also how familiar are you with anarchism?

It seems that in the same way, people in this discussion have defined that communism is the mechanism for being generous and being willing to contribute to society.

You're not far off, but yes that is more or less all that "communism" is:

a classless, stateless, humane society based on common ownership, follows the maxim "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

There is no prescription for how this may be achieved or how it might operate. Marxist-leninists want to reach it with a vanguard party and a socialist state, and this reflects how they see revolution as an event. Anarcho-communists instead see revolution as a process, and praxis takes the form of grassroots movements, aiming to bring about the necessary social change, building systems of free association from the ground up.

They don't exist

Of course capitalism operates in a lot of gray areas, it's how it seems freer than it actually is. "I need food" isn't always a problem, but it is one often enough to be systemically problematic. Abandoning one's hopes and dreams because one must be "realistic" is the norm.

Social democracy isn't really socialist...

Anyways it's just good to know that FOSS is built upon anarchist principles (of course, this doesn't mean every FOSS project is anarchist) and is a great example of free association in practice. It helps demystify anarchism and communism.

Also what "delusions" are you talking about? Marxist-leninist ones?

I hope this is a lightbulb moment for you

In my experience a lot of italian (particularly "news") websites basically say "accept cookies or sign up for our paid subscription"

Idk, I'd say we want quality goods, and are lead to believe that these desires can be fulfilled by the lofty luxury goods market which is founded more on artificial scarcity than material scarcity. Even when rare materials and expensive labour are involved the fact that this simply makes them "more valuable" seems more important than any actual need, or lack of alternatives. Meanwhile, affordable products get enshittified, shorter lifespans, etc.

though it's questionable when the cycle of just investing the newfound labor capacity into more luxuries will stop, if ever

Which is precisely why "post-scarcity" can only be reached with actual societal change, not just technological advancement.

Are we really dealing with "scarcity" at this point?

Supermarkets throw away literal millions of tonnes of food annually. "Reduce, reuse, recycle" has become a hollow mantra that cannot be truly adopted by the profit driven design philosophies of consumer products. Sustainability is being treated like some chic perk rather than a critical topic that must be taken seriously if we want any hope for our futures.

All these things are profoundly capitalist problems. Of course, it's not like marxist-leninist 'experiments' fared any better, devolving into their own variants of capitalism, but there are many other socialist ideologies to consider (such as anarchism...)

It's not about stealing data, it's about not letting Zuck gain influence and control of the fediverse.

The system is flawed and is working as intended.

Instead of anarchist cosplay, everyone should be learning about actual anarchist theory and praxis.

police beating stick

Ahhh, the wonderful ambiguities of english grammar

Not quite what you've asked for ik lol, but I copied the transcript and formatted it a bit in case you'd like to skim read it.

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