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principled men

Sadly one of Biden's principles was blindly supporting Israel no matter what they do, even through an ongoing genocide.

No, we should strive for a candidate who is against all genocide. Let's not compromise in advance.

There's far too many to name, but the first things that come to mind are Collateral Murder, Haditha Massacre, and literally anytime the US military has been involved in the Gazan genocide of the past year.

No, plane rides and sleepy time are not immoral in my opinion :)

There's probably a good argument about plane emissions and climate change tho

It seems we are in agreement then, the troops are self-interested rational actors; all of the supposed virtues are propaganda.

But I think there is a moral imperative that says "do not obey immoral orders", and that imperative does not come with a clause that says "unless there is a pending court case".

Or to put it another way, do you expect our enlisted men and women to uphold the high moral virtues of honor, self sacrifice, and protection of innocents?

After seeing what horrors American soldiers are capable of, I'm not holding my breath.

This is it. The real economic usecase for AI.

Anyone from Tulsi Gabbard to United Healthcare to the Israeli Occupying Force can add in a layer of AI to their operation and poof there goes the responsibility and accountability.

That may be true, but it doesn't excuse the list at all.

My country is responsible for the majority of international violence since WWII. I find that morally unacceptable.

I make posts like this because I want my country to do better. But the sad reality is we have yet to learn our lesson. We have been aiding and abetting an ongoing Holocaust for almost two years now.

Your comment ignores the context that the US is doing anti-Chinese propaganda here, and there is no parity.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, and China was releasing PR statements on every anniversary of every US atrocity. They would still be issuing multiple statements every day.

Yep that's exactly my point, the US is doing Whataboutism when it issues these PR stunts to condemn Chinese atrocities.

It is not my intention to give other countries a pass. Indonesia is guilty of genocide in the case of East Timor; the US is guilty as well.

The genocide in East Timor is analogous to the ongoing genocide in Palestine.

Both genocides are not conducted by US personnel, but the majority of arms are supplied by the US. The US gives international legitimacy to the genocidal party, while running defense for it's atrocities. The genocide in East Timor was ended by a phone call from the US president, and I am of the firm belief that the genocide in Gaza could be ended by a similar call. Previous Israeli atrocities were ended by calls from Reagan and Bush Sr.

As an American I think it's helpful to put this into some sort of perspective.

Things the US won't forget:

• Tiananmen Square (thousands dead)

Things the US will forget:

• Korean War (3mil civilian dead)
• Vietnam War (2mil civilian dead)
• Iraqi War (1mil civilian dead)
• Violent overthrow of East Timor (widely considered a genocide)
• Violent overthrow of Afghanistan (twice, over 1 mil dead)
• Violent overthrow of Nicaragua
• Violent overthrow of Grenada
• Violent overthrow of Panama
• Violent overthrow of Libya
• Coup d'etat of Guatemala
• Coup d'etat of Iran
• Failed Coup d'etat of Syria
• Failed Coup d'etat of Indonesia
• Many failed Coup d'etat attempts on Cuba
• Coup d'etat of Congo
• Coup d'etat of Laos
• Coup d'etat of the Dominican Republic
• Coup d'etat of Iraq
• Coup d'etat of Brazil
• Successful Coup d'etat of Indonesia (1 mil dead)
• Coup d'etat of Chile
• Multiple Coup d'etat of Bolivia
• Coup d'etat of Haiti
• Multiple Coup d'etat attempts on Venezuela
• Coup d'etat of Palestine
• Mass civilian casualties, destabilization of many governments, people subject to a lifetime of torture without a trial, all under the War on Terror

This list could be so much longer, but I gotta get to work.

Under lots of pressure, Bono recently released his most forceful statement on the subject

“Hamas, release the hostages. Stop the war. Israel, be released from Benjamin Netanyahu and far-right fundamentalists that twist your sacred texts"

This statement perpetuates two Israeli propaganda lies: 1) Hamas is able to end the war by releasing hostages, and 2) The genocidal project is the sole responsibility of Netanyahu and Likud, and not the greater Jewish supremacist movement that has controlled Israel since it's inception.

And to be clear, this is Bono's best statement on the subject. You can Google his earlier statements to find more genocide denial and Hasbara propaganda.

He doesn't have to be an activist for every issue, but it is a giant stain on his legacy of activism when he runs cover for an ongoing Holocaust.

Most activists are motivated by humanist ideals, but the issue of Gaza makes it obvious that Bono is not an ethical humanist, so his activism must be motivated by other desires.

"Great activist" Bono has been mostly silent on the ongoing genocide in Gaza for the past 20 months.

The "great activist" has been releasing tepid statements running cover for genocidal Israel as he continues his strong financial ties with the country doing ethnic cleansing in broad daylight.

He used the world's strongest military to illegally invade, occupy, and slaughter some of the poorest people on the planet.

He played a leading role in multiple coups against democratically elected governments, replacing them with brutal violent dictators.

Millions died due to his war crimes, and he was proud of his work.

But to become a leading capitalist you must exploit hundreds of thousands of people.

This process strips you of most of your humanity and empathy, thus you will likely no longer care about "protecting nature".

If someone deserves punishment, celebrating that punishment is basically just hatred.

Yes, I hate the man who spent my tax dollars to bomb children living in tent cities.

I hate the man who failed so spectacularly as a candidate that he gave us president Trump.

I hate Genocide Joe.

When a genocidal war criminal gets a horrific terminal cancer, it is certainly cause for celebration.

Aiding and abetting a genocide is depraved.

Going on national TV and lying about seeing "pictures of 40 beheaded babies" is depraved.

Celebrating when a war criminal gets prostate cancer? Not depraved at all in my opinion. He deserves much worse.