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Hell yea! Best way forward is to keep talking about it, keep the pressure up and refer to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works or my periodically updated recap post https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

If we can get our instance to defed at least, it being the biggest, will be a huge boon to the overall health of the Threadiverse

Officially Rule 1 is no bigotry and rule 2 is be respectful

Unofficially, they're their catchall rules for speech they don't like eg things that go against Tankie narratives; NATO bad, Ukraine is full of Nazis and Russia is justified, NK isn't a dictatorship and China is a utopia

Because it has utility for a wider audience, I do skip hyper specific questions.

As for the why:

Why am I cross-posting .ml?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 ::: spoiler CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic

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"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

An hour late :( lmao

"I still want to do it, but I was just informed there's....PORN ON THERE GASP !" ~Tumblr CEO, probably

(Reference)

Lol if you manage to get a full site ban (shouldn't be too hard lmao) you'll unlock this achievement!

https://lemmy.world/comment/17962998

This is a little confusing because you also re-post* questions from non-.ml users. [example] [example] [example] I guess you mean you're copying questions that were posted by people on any instance to communities hosted on lemmyml. Yes?

Yea, I only monitor .ml comms, specifically I monitor the RSS feed provided by .ml

*(I say re-post because you do it without using the cross-post feature, so we can't see the sources.)

I think I now understand what you're trying to do, but I'm skeptical. As someone on the receiving end of your copypasta, what I see is a flood of posts from a single account dominating some of the forums that I frequent. The pattern resembles that of a bot, casts an unauthentic tint on the content of your posts, and makes the signal-to-noise ratio of the receiving communities look pretty bad.

This is only true for text-only posts, like this and is why I prepend with the "Original question by". Articles/memes/images do in fact show in the crosspost menu chain

I think I now understand what you're trying to do, but I'm skeptical. As someone on the receiving end of your copypasta, what I see is a flood of posts from a single account dominating some of the forums that I frequent. The pattern resembles that of a bot, casts an unauthentic tint on the content of your posts, and makes the signal-to-noise ratio of the receiving communities look pretty bad.

Even as someone who prefers to avoid the tankie instances, I suspect that what you are doing is likely more harmful than helpful to the other ones. I have been considering unsubscrbing because of it. And, since you are bridging content from the problematic place, I think a case can be made that your effort is counterproductive to your own goals. After all, why would people migrate away from lemmyml if they know they can post there and have their words reach other instances as well?

The vast majority of users...just don't care, they simply follow where the activity is. I do monitor data points where I can, when I began months ago .ml memes would hover between #13-16 ranking among the Threadiverse. Now? ~30, .ml traffic overall is down. When I started, each morning I'd have to sift through 6-7 pages of new posts. Now it's < 3

Ofc, I'm doing many other things behind the scenes as well contributing to that. But overall, considering the bulk of what is reposted isn't text-based, it's been fairly positive

As an alternative, might I suggest contributing your time to boosting awareness and membership of non-ml communities? This would be a more organic approach, and perhaps slower, but I think the results would be better. Take !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com for example. It was pretty quiet until recently, but after a little promotion and participation from a few interested people, activity there seems to be rising quite a bit.

Oh believe me, I'm taking a multifaceted approach. Individual reach out, OC content, organically sourced articles, harvesting of "The Bad Place", documentation and promotion

I often aim for a 1-2 ratio, for every 1 crosspost I try to contribute 2 posts of "organic content", however that is subject to fluctuation, since this is filled from my hobby time. The weekend particularly has the least free time to dedicate

LMAO

Sure buddy sure, whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

You can't "farm" upvotes on Lemmy, it's simply not designed for it

What? You've been here long enough to know that "karma" doesn't really exist here like that and "karma farming" is utterly pointless here.

Did you even read any of the comment? It's pretty clearly explained

Sorry, just saw your reply now while scrolling for something else

Lemmy.cafe is defederated from the entire triad, which is the allure.

Migrating a comm isn't too involved, all old content stays in place but the comm gets locked for new posts to mods only and you change the display name to something like "Moving to X comm" (search for the television comm for an example of when !showsandmovies@lemm.ee moved)

Looking at the comm, it looks like you have 3.4k subscribers, but only ~500 of that are .ml users. But subscribers are a very poor metric, because that number is often inflated with dead accounts. Especially considering .ml's age and the comms age, id say the bulk of those subscribers are long dead accounts.

Going by MAUs, !fantasy@lemmy.ml is currently at 66 users. !fantasy@lemmy.cafe is at 23 with just what I've crossposted there, so any kind of focus on it will quickly grow past that

Plus, .cafe has had a bit of a...cafe feeling to me so having a fantasy comm on it feels rather fitting

Alternatively, you could recreate it on literature.cafe which does fed with .ml and might be even more of a fitting instance and I'll close this one in response

Part of my cross-posting from .ml:

Why am I cross-posting .ml?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 ::: spoiler CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic

:::

"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

As far as if responses reach them, they should, since I tag them on every crosspost they are aware that the crossposted version exists.

I also generally skip questions that are hyper specific and have little or no utility to anyone outside of who asked.

And? For one, there's PieFed and Mbin and if it wasn't Lemmy there would have been something else that would have come along.

For two, someone doing good work does not give them a free pass to be shitty in other areas. You can praise one for good work in one thing and criticize them for the bad things they're doing in another.

And? For one, there's PieFed and Mbin and if it wasn't Lemmy there would have been something else that would have come along.

For two, someone doing good work does not give them a free pass to be shitty in other areas. You can praise one for good work in one thing and criticize them for the bad things they're doing in another.

And? For one, there's PieFed and Mbin and if it wasn't Lemmy there would have been something else that would have come along.

For two, someone doing good work does not give them a free pass to be shitty in other areas. You can praise one for good work in one thing and criticize them for the bad things they're doing in another.

And? For one, there's PieFed and Mbin and if it wasn't Lemmy there would have been something else that would have come along.

For two, someone doing good work does not give them a free pass to be shitty in other areas. You can praise one for good work in one thing and criticize them for the bad things they're doing in another.

And? For one, there's PieFed and Mbin and if it wasn't Lemmy there would have been something else that would have come along.

For two, someone doing good work does not give them a free pass to be shitty in other areas. You can praise one for good work in one thing and criticize them for the bad things they're doing in another.

And? For one, there's PieFed and Mbin and if it wasn't Lemmy there would have been something else that would have come along.

For two, someone doing good work does not give them a free pass to be shitty in other areas. You can praise one for good work in one thing and criticize them for the bad things they're doing in another.

And? For one, there's PieFed and Mbin and if it wasn't Lemmy there would have been something else that would have come along.

For two, someone doing good work does not give them a free pass to be shitty in other areas. You can praise one for good work in one thing and criticize them for the bad things they're doing in another.

Actually, it is, blocking on Lemmy isnt actually a block, it's barely a mute (Can't imagine why they'd want it like that hmmm)

The only way to actually block is to get site banned by the instance.

It's been said that they would "get around to it" someday....